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RE: MATRIARCHY & PATRIARCHY - THE OPPRESSION OF MEN - FINDING THE BALANCE- A STONE LEFT UNTURNED

in #ecotrain7 years ago

This point is not right, especially in the developing countries like India, China etc. You simply have to marry to stand a chance!

And, so, do you blame the man? As feminists have?
Or do you blame nature for being harsh and unforgiving?

By splitting the roles, mankind is much stronger as a whole.
Now, a woman can be much more focussed on caring.
She doesn't need to be strong, to support all that extra muscle mass. She doesn't need to be able to turn off or compartmentalize her emotions (important for hunting and killing animals)


For further research, i think the book is called "The Marriage Strike".
If men were actually in charge, would modern marriage laws and child support laws be so onerous?
Marriage, for a man, is not a net negative, it is only a negative.
He gets nothing, legally speaking. He can even be accused of rape, although the base tenant of marriage is that she is selling him her reproductive capability.

Even further, marriage is the only modern practice where men can go to jail without trial.
He is responsible for all the children she has, whether they are his or not. (and ¼ are not, just based on blood analysis) And if he can't pay the child support, it is off to jail, without a trial.

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if you read my post you would know, i blame the system..

I read your post, beautiful

But, you have never defined the system.
I understand you are trying not to be confrontational.

But, its like this.
The narrative is women make 70% of what men make.

The reality is that a woman, doing the same job, same hours, same skill, same time on the job...
the woman makes 107% of what a man makes. 120% if you include maternity leave.

That is the system. Shaming men, while at the same time the actuality is that men are legally oppressed.

If we want to make a better system, we need an accurate understanding of men and women.

What are you saying.?How does 70 % all of a sudden become 107 % And Do you actually think women should not be payed while they are carying life in their wombs? That when they do get payed maternity leave that is shaming men?

You only have a problem with this statement because you have been sold a lie for so long, that you believe it without question.

The 70¢ per dollar is a false comparison.
It is, add up all the men, and then compare that with all the women.

It is comparing the worst, most dangerous jobs to the easiest safest jobs.

It is comparing people who work overtime, to people who work part time.

You see, men work harder, longer, become more specialized, work in more harsh environments, work more overtime, etc.

So, of course men make more.

But, if you are comparing a specific job, say teaching. Where men and women work the same number of hours, and have the same time on the job, then women make 107% of what men make.

And, women are paid maternity leave.
So, that makes their pay 120% of men in the same position.


The wage gap is a myth.

You're not really explaining the numbers. But never mind. I think it is true that men have also been treated badly in the past. It's been a long time since the feminine and masculine energies and qualities have been balanced and I think it is about time. For me that means that the feminine qualities that live both in men and women have to rise up to balance the overpresent and unbalanced masculine qualities out as in my opinion they have been having the over hand for quite some time now and it is not doing us or the planet any good any longer. I'm talking about vulnerability, receptivity, caring and gentleness among others. Real appreciation for these feminine qualities which include giving birth and taking care of children. That this is once again recognised as WORK and not as TIME OFF. Now you may not agree with me but this is my point of view, if you want to feel offended by it that is your choice, don't blame it on me.

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i think if you read my posts you will understand what i defined as the system.. i have spoken about it quite a lot in my first post on this subject.

Also, your comments are quite confined to USA , Europe.. and not at all true for most of the world.. In india for example its standard to pay women half what men earn for the same work..

lets not even start looking at womens oppression in many arab countries and beyond! I do take a global out look on these things!

Upvoted in the name of the Indian and Arab and a zillion other non Western women

I'm sure not all men are all the time treated fairly, that is just Alex's point. And I myself believe that nobody thrives in this way of being where life serves structure instead of the other way around. But to just say: 'Woman were never oppressed' you haven't really been paying attention or it just doesn't serve you to see it.

I said women were oppressed by nature. Harsh conditions and bad sanitation.

If you want to say women were oppressed, then you have to men where even more oppressed.

Barefoot in the kitchen? So oppressed. While the man is out knee deep in shit taking care of the farm.

If you want to say women were forced to marry men, then it is only out of necessity of a harsh environment, where a women couldn't survive alone.