Since Gridcoin's whitelist and greylist system is half assed I see people asking where the correct whitelist is since POG's was on the www.gridcoin.us whitelist I thought I should elaborate since I thought up and created the Greylist idea threw months of the mumble sessions I thought I should post my experience with Gridcoin along point out flaws and offer a solution , Yes as I said in a comment unfortunately the current whitelist is a wiki page and open for public editing and if you look at
gridcoin.science's whitelist doesn't have ODLK1 again its a CNAME
forward to www.wiki.com and we use a dynamic publicly editable page
and really need me to get better medically and finish with the
whitelist page that automatically incorporates my greylist idea and
project using xymon showing RED/YELLOW/GREEN so red = dead and no
payout for crunching , yellow = greylisted ( on the chopping block
and in jeopardy of being removed from the whitelist but still
crunch-able and payable but beware ) and Green = Whitelisted and
100% in compliance for the whitelist. Unfortunately I have lupus and
am very ill along with just getting over e-coli and complications
from a botched colonoscopy and pretty much on my death bed. I have
just received the new 6 x 200w fans for my HP C-3000 and can install
my 6 new 32 thread HP BL460c Gen 8 xeon blades with 168gb ram each
and 2 of my 10 HP-BL460c Gen 7 24 thread blades with 256gb ram and
both server sets have 15k RPM 176gb SAS drives in raid 1 and drop my
old Gen 6 blades with 16 threads and 96gb ram and 2 x 176gb 15k rpm
SAS drives and BL480c Gen1 with 4 x 176gb drives in raid 0+1 and my
24TB storage using 4 of my low power EMC CX4-120 arrays for storage
since I sold a bunch of the drives ( 1tb x 15 and 18 x 450gb and 15
x 600gb ) so now I just have ( 52 x 450gb 15k Fiber Channel that is
a massive array that does hardware raid 5 along with then setting up
the arrays in raid 5 within the raid 5 and my EMC Brocade 300b 4gbps
fiber optic switch ) with a 250mbps/20mbps unlimited service that I
would like to donate root and admin privileges to such trusted head
community leaders with access and knowledge such as neuralminer and
create a root/admin team and get rid of anything public and not
owned by the community and or a trusted community member along with
the front ends of the cluster being in 1 of 5 local ( Seattle ,
Washington USA ) data centers or since xymon is lite weight and I
have it running on 1 openvz VPS from frantech in testing and 1 KVM
slice also in testing as we used it when I was the head night time
sysadmin at CWIE/CCBILL for monitoring our servers in DPTV and our
Level3 data centers that I had to run and be a cage monkey for all
of their servers. The idea is to #1 monitor projects and ping ,
shows the project is up and the work distribution is there and
unless such as seti@home that has planned maintenance every Tuesday
and is down they have to have a 99.9% SLA. Then stipulation #2 is
work unit availability , is there work and is it #1 enough for users
to get work #2 stead workflow ie: ##,### WU available for not just
the team Gridcoin users but non team Gridcoin. The original idea is
based of the old EFnet application model but we do not need to have
a set MBPS/GBPS uplink as some projects are not just ran at a
persons home but some are ran off a laptop ( oddly efnets main
server is ran off an imac running a virtual win95 instance and
ratbox so thats how the server world works ) and then the project
fills out an application and if accepted has to follow those rules
for 90 days and would initially be added to the Greylist and once
they show they can follow a 99.9% SLA , ##,#### WU availability and
keep that up for the initial 90 days and would be automatically
moved to the whitelist ( thanks to either mysql or mariadb or what
ever the chosen people whom are willing to work with me ( if i can
get away from being shunned from freenode but currently active on
discord ) I can put together a team for this project as having
someone just greylist a project and then its not crunch-able to earn
Gridcoin is incorrect and BLACKLISTED so the current manual system
is half assed as my idea was stolen and prematurely implemented due
to me being kicked out due to my mouth not having a filter along
with head community members putting their own personal agenda above
the best interest of the community and since we are global issues
with translations from American English to Scottish English ( i
thought we spoke the same language ) along with another American
that just did not like me although I want to include both of them as
part of the root/admin/sudo/wheel Administrators of the project and
since I do not code some dev work to customize the whole thing for
the rest of our needs and donate it to the community and incorporate
it to www.gridcoin.us as www.gridcoin.us/whitelist and only be
editable by the administrators and can be constantly kept up to data
with what ever interface we can reach out via steemit to some of the
people whom are locked out of what was voted as the community dev
team when we " forked " the github source code branches. I would
really like to get this going even with me sick as I am out past
June 8th before any idea of what surgery is needed to fix me as I
current cannot defecate let alone I have a Foley 16g catheter going
on month 3 and due to complications ( e-coli from botched surgery
1rst and then internal damage ) I cannot do much but lay in bed in
massive pain even with hard core 15mg percocets its like being
kicked in your taint over and over by high heals and I have to pick
my battles 1 day of walking beyond the kitchen and 3-5 days
recovery. Today is the first time in a week since I have sat at 1 of
2 laptops at my desk to check steemit although I have a laptop next
to my bed I keep steemit on my wallet dedicated laptop ( this one
and only non ssd and the hdd is dying but it was a dumpster dive
laptop ). See , no filter I am very open but the fact of the matter
is I have tried , I have tried to fit in and be a part of the
community and my mistake I believe was when i joined Gridcoin I sat
for 72hr watching before speaking and was to quick to offer VPS's
when our leader Customminer asked users to put up full nodes. I
instantly jumped to offering to either spin up ( I co-own a hosting
company that services VPS's , dedicated servers and collocation in
#1 the Westin building downtown Seattle World Trade Center , #2
Integra Telecom in Kent Washington and #3 the original Worldlink
Datacenter from the old 1990s national USA dialup service from the
AOL/Prodogy/Worldlink only isp days and if needed the
coloinseattle.com datacenter where I rent a half rack from wowrack
and 1 private DC I cannot name but currently is hosting a full node
VPS not listed in the wiki after being shunned when I removed
seattle.grcnode.deluxe-host.net and seattle.gridcoin.stablenode.net
from the full node wiki list that is also something I would like to
provide a webpage using xymon that shows #1 ping to each listed full
node showing up/down and yes some of us block icmp so it would check
#1 check the full node list entries DNS and is it valid = yes/no
shows RED = down , Yellow = questionable , Green = UP and verified
, #2 if no ping can we talk to that DNS entry ( actually we would
do a simple dig fullnode.dns.entry and use the IP and check port
32749 and I am sure we can use telnet and a simple GET request so
does it reply if yes = Green if no = Red. #3 I have spoke about
using a certificate system where a user applies to add a full node
to the list and after the pre-listed checks the seednodes (
src/net.cpp around lines 113-118 I have not checked since the
gridcoin.co.uk DNS vuln was fixed after I reported the users being
forced into using his nodes ( I very much thank @barton26 for
fixing that after 8 months of my patch being ignored ) as many users
pay out of pocket and do not get to use foundation funds for a
domain let alone VPS's. So the seed nodes would need to give a cert
like as I believe it was peercoin ( 1 of gridcoins codebase original
parts mixed as its blackcoin , bitcoin , peercpoim and others I
believe ) basically like this #1 the seednode would verify random
block hashes and if matched that node would be accepted and pushed
to the webpage that would change from wiki to
www.gridcoin.us/fullnodes and owned by Gridcoin and ran by Gridcoin
administrators. This I believe would also be a value added asset as
it would have to check nodes and be a safeguard from forks as a
node that did not match those hashes it would be dropped. This would
also have to dramatically change how the .conf nodes were used and
users could leave out the addnode= portion and the config would
dynamically change within the client and users would have the option
to " SAVE CURRENT NODES " and a warning if its a popup or RED circle
saying " your node list needs to be updated please click verify
addnodes ". Dropping wiki would dramatically benefit our project "
Gridcoin " as we should use only our own services and not be half
assed using 3rd party websites as I could go edit the nodelist along
with whitelist and for example change it all to porn sites , change
the icons and deface it as anybody can and we are lucky it has not
happened. BUT originally we had quakecatcher.net on the whitelist
for months and nobody caught that it was never whitelisted but
someone added it. We could also do checks on the whitelist and via
Linux or Windows scripting checks the projects and the application
list and grep ATI OpenCL, Intel OpenCL, and nVidia OpenCL or Nvida
Cuda and Android along with Boinc version required and when new
applications are added along with existing Linux 32bit / Linux 64bit
/ OSX and PPC64 versions or OSX Intel versions along with version
requirements / Windows 32bit and Windows 64bit versions and update
the whitelist webpage. This would be a big improvement along with
IMO not just slack/discord/freenode that we run our own IRCD and can
then create and enforce channel rules for what is allowed such as
#gridcoin being a lobby and #gridcoin-help is for help and channels
such as #gridcoin-otc for off topic chat and run our own IRCD
network vs borrowing FOSS since we do not comply to the nature of
freenode and what its use is intended for along with we need to
revamp the current channel operators whom have their own agenda and
may not crunch Gridcoin stating that its not worth the cost of
electricity to run Boinc for the payout we receive but since the
apparent big breakup when the first pool.gridcoin.us came out the
channel was left to lesser mature users whom put their emotions and
personal feelings before the community. I will go ahead and also be
posting this as my own post but I thought I should explain why the
whitelist is incorrect , the current website admin doesn't maintain
it and we need a team who cares and updates regularly projects along
with full nodes and we need checks and balances and a real
foundation even if its just a team that maintains the machines that
provide the whitelist and nodelist and we need to tweek how the
nodes and projects are listed along with fix the greylist as its NOT
a blacklist and currently is being maintained manually and being
used incorrectly. I worked 6 months trying to get the idea up and
going and I do not code but I do have the hardware to donate and
currently the www.gridcoin.us website states they only accept
donations from digitalocean and since I know the owner of that
company really hurts the idea of users donating VPS's to the
community and we do not have a team whom would take those donated
VPS's as you can get 1 from frantech/buyvm , crissic.net ,
gigebox.com or gigeservers.com ( old foonet ) for a very nice price
for dedicated servers or vps's let alone the high cost of
rackspace.com or vps.net or a chump cheap but usable server from
www.server4you.com $38 for an 8 core opteron w/16gb & 4TB SSD @
100mbps but they lie and its a shared 100mbps node but still a good
deal. These are all possible alt locations if someone or the
foundation wants to pay for a real website vs the chump way
borrowing www.wiki.com and using a cname dns forward making it look
as if its part of www.gridcoin.us its just not professional in any
way what so ever. This also brings up that we need our own
www.gridcoin.us/forum and incorporate a user login database where we
can instead of only having the github issues section and then use
steemit along with CCT and reddit have our own forums and can have a
real website vs half assed www.gridcoin.us website hosted on a vps
and then link other sites that the public can deface. We are lucky
that the people whom have been shunned and pissed off or like myself
had a bad introduction and bad year long experience because we
offered to provide something that cost more than we earn back
crunching leaving a bad taste in my mouth wanting to write a blog
about my experiance using https://irclog.whitequark.org/gridcoin/ as
proof how I/we/they had been treated along with examples that there
is transparency and favoritism where one person could say something
and get away with it but than another say the same and get banned
from the " support " channel borrowed from freenode and exterminate
users whom out security vulnerabilities or like myself am an open
book and willing to talk real talk like a real human treating
everybody like we are a team and should be able to openly discuss
issues and security vulnerabilities vs the Gridcoin motto of " cover
up and hide it " such as users like dutch earning @ a 8800 mag
and $$$$ grc payouts by boincing up the machines at his work without
permission and right after opening www.gridcoin.science getting
busted and should have returned all ill gotten funds , or the user
from university of saskatewan canada " UofS-Computer-Science " whom
runs the IT department and makes their rules so he had their
machines boincing and states " we donate the Gridcoin earned to
charities " because you/he/i could call our rent/mortgage/car
payments a charity as there is no proof and I am happy to see he
retired from all projects and hope it was due to finally using his
brain and realizing his ethics was wrong and the funds were ill
gotten.
PS: Fuck You G_UK for your shit ass stealing my idea and project , we are all supposed to be a team and you are a fucking thief and your attempt at a greylist site is SHIT you mean blacklist where you have greylist maybe there is a US vs UK translation issue and your to quick to steal ideas to get the shit right... your project list is a joke and looks like shit and you apparently know what greylist means nor what it should be... This is why team gridcoin leaves a bad taste in my mouth is thief's like you.... shit site is a joke... good try but its shit. I would had been fine with collaborating and working with you or including you but your stole my project and my idea...My place I found in the community and project I brought to the table and spent many hours working on to bring something like gridcoinstats to the community . You can go threw the mumbles and hear me working on it , if you had every attended them ever via mumble before discord. Noooo you see me talking about it on freenode before i was banned and fucking ran with my shit.
First thing I have to say is you cant seriously expect anyone to read beyond half a paragraph, right? This is just a blob of text and the second thing is
the hostility is unnecessary.
Jamezz' idea for a Greylist seems to be a "Jailing" process where a new project is put on probation when they are Whitelisted and if they do not meet some undefined standards they are removed.
I really am struggling to understand what more detail is in that "proposal", what am I missing?
The idea of managing project listings has been discussed for years and the general idea became known as Greylisting, lots of people had thrown ideas about and said they were going to look at it but nothing was actually done.
I took it upon myself to put together a proposal that was workable and invited input from all. Everything was in the open and I managed to incorporate most peoples ideas and address most peoples concerns. I do not remember seeing any input from Jamezz during this process. The document that was produced was put to the vote and passed.
If someone else wants to replace or revise what I put together, then I am perfectly happy for them to do so. The current process is far from perfect and it can be improved upon, but it is better than nothing which is what we had before.
I have put a lot of work into getting something working that was needed and have not recieved any bounties or payment, I have done it off my own back and in doing so taught myself a lot about various coding languages etc. Everything I have done is opensource and is freely available for others to use.
In short...
No one owns the idea of managing project listings, I have never claimed that the current process is all my own work as it incorporates ideas from across the community, however I have put a lot of work into it.
If you think you have a better process then by all means continue putting it together and present it the community, nobody is stopping you from doing this. I would be happy if more people are looking to improve how we manage listing of projects, if you know how to automate the "jailing" process you have talked about with the blockchain, then wonderful, Gridcoin still needs that.
Someone may have been mean to you, or not given you attribution for your idea, or implemented an idea similar to your own in a way which is very different from something you envisioned but none of that justifies the way you conduct yourself. Having "no filter" is not a virtue. Creating a train wreck of words and expecting the reader to sift through it and somehow piece back together your intended meaning in some way that reflects kindly on you is an awful way to represent your ideas, irrespective of their obective value. Constantly shouting about how you are the victim doesn't legitimize anything you are saying or the way you are saying it. I didn't hurt you and I don't deserve the beratement that is your writing. Despite what you may think or have been told, the manner in which you convey yourself is just as important as what you have to say. Honesty and candor are valuable, temper tantrums mixed with braggartry are not. Lastly, I sincerely doubt the kind of stress you are displaying is in any way conducive to your bodily healing, regardless of how I or anyone else take your words.
Big Wall of Text crits you for 1,000, you die.
also, why does this have so many downvotes? it's a factual account from his point of view.
this isn't spam, or hate speech. it's just an angry man. let's grow up, please. <3
I downvoted it as yet again he has attacked and insulted me.
Edit: And factual is stretching it a bit. It maybe how he sees things but what he says is certainly not complete fact.
I could accept his anger, but i can't accept his poor formatting
I downvoted because of the needless personal attacks, swearing, non-existent formatting and overall redundancy. If you remove those things, people might take your message a little more seriously.
Plus, I'm not sure I see any substance behind wanting credit for an idea, unless I'm missing the part where you did some development of your own? It's like if I said it would be a good idea to make a decentralized currency system called Bitcoin, and then get mad at Satoshi Nakamoto for actually doing it. It makes no sense.
Just wtf is this?
it's really too bad you can't edit yourself very well. there are nuggets of truth in here that need to be heard/addressed.
from what i can glean quickly, you're upset that G_UK ran with the idea of the greylist without consulting anybody who had worked on it previously? am i correct in that?
i'm sorry about your experience in the community. my treatment lately has also been sort of unfavourable, but i'm here for the long haul. :)
I think that's the jist of it but contrary to @jamezz's believes people don't follow his every move. If you move a topic to a volatile medium such as IRC or Mumble then the rest of the population is going to be unaware and invent the same thing. Even with direct communication the implementer is often a different person than the author. It happens all the time and we do it in the wallet development. The opposite is closer to patents which is notorious for hindering progress.
I'm contemplating downvoting just for the @dutch bashing.
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