Makes sense. A lot of people complain that only the same few earn. There's even a complaint down at the bottom of this post. So you're trying to what? Help remedy the situation? While people like drakos can only sit and complain and do absolutely nothing.
If you're referring to machan then yeah, she seems to be underrewarded and there's even an ocd vote on one of her active posts. Would be great if certain autovoters spread the rewards out more to cover more users and not only 10-12 ones I think steempty is voting for (myself included) which in turn don't seem to appreciate it much, stick to their daily posts, reply to comments they get but skip everything else Hive has to offer such as building connections, maybe commenting on other people's posts too, you know, socializing on a social media platform. Instead they just make the most out of it with low to medium effort content to get their daily post out and naturally most of them are just selling everything they earn (not that that matters much but it's worth noting) and then get entitled and loud when others think that's not right such as this post.
Yeah, machan. I voted earlier when I saw the comment and followed. First time I ever seen her around here. People do need to socialize more otherwise they're invisible. And yeah holy crap, when the auto votes start rolling in, I could never understand why some would get lazy and just take it for granted. Not everyone does though.
As for the downvotes en masse, it is quite shocking to the system. The content creator doesn't necessarily have control of who votes, how, and when. At the same time, when they're well aware the auto votes are coming, that's the wrong time to be slacking off. Yet it's not really the content creator being downvoted, it's the upvotes being downvoted. Still, it's hard not to take it personally. She did recommend offering an explanation, which in theory would put the mind at ease, but in practice often turns into chairs being thrown across the room. Why does this have to be so hard...
And then there's drakos, not doing a damn thing...
This is true and why I keep downvotes manual, no matter how much time they and the explanations and drama involved take out of my day.
There have been tons of discussions with this user about the downvotes before, some just don't want to accept it. It's also funny noticing how steempty's autovotes work, some users get a 100% vote on their first daily post where the second vote is only 10% or so, while on another user "matthew" something they are ~50% on both daily posts - naturally those in the former system only post once per day while the latter posts twice. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out that most authors just attempt to maximize them and in a way it wouldn't be wrong but when they barely even spend any time to do other things on Hive then I usually draw a line there and use my downvotes. The main fault is of the very passive autovoter who doesn't bother adjusting them or adding more onto his autovotes to scale the weight down with more users receiving them.
Anyway I'm not someone to go around casting downvotes for fun or to cause drama, in fact I gain close to nothing from it (unless you consider part of the downvoted rewards going to other people I've curated which may increase mine and everyone else's curation rewards slightly) but that is definitely not worth the effort, I could just post something random once per day to maximize my earnings of which I often forfeit the rewards cause of autovoters like this to begin with when I post things I know aren't that important or took a lot of effort/time to generate. It's important to make these downvotes that aren't malicious or zero out posts more normal because authors, especially those who don't provide any other kind of value to Hive and its stakeholders, because when the price starts going up they're just going to be even more aggressive and entitled for their unrealistic $500-1000 daily post rewards while many others are still left with dust rewards.
Yeah I can see how things could spiral out of control once the value spikes. I've seen a few talking about normalizing genuine downvotes. And I don't like seeing folks get zeroed out either unless it's clear abuse or an exploit being countered.
Also it's basic business common sense, giving someone half the value of a car every day just because they walked down the street and snapped a few photos with a phone, that's not sustainable. And the high value seems to attract more active members. If support isn't spread out, everyone shoots themselves in the foot, squanders another opportunity to grow, similar to the bidbot disaster.
Really need to focus on attracting that consumer base I've been talking about for years. The system is designed to function 'properly' when there are millions of actual legit consumers upvoting small amounts, spreading it out organically. You still end up with some people earning more than others, which is only natural in this industry, but millions can do a better job spreading out the pool to thousands of posts than what we have now which is like a few hundred spreading it out to thousands of posts. Plus with far more consumer comments being rewarded, it's spread even further; has more places to go. It would be so awesome to see comment sections here looking like Youtube comment sections, where the consumers upvote comments as well, rewarding one another and talking. But we don't have that here. Everyone shows up to create content. Everyone onboards more people to create content. But without an audience, it's so weird. I don't understand why the consumer role is neglected when it's the most important element.
I just said that I don't like flags.
When I go to a blog I see that my blog is all red with flags.
My heart is going to die.
For me, the flag is like a punishment for a violation.
I can't get used to the fact that the flag is the norm. For the settlement of rewards.
If only the awards were handled differently. At the same time, without marking it with a flag.
Yes, maybe I don't write too many comments by another user. But I write comments, I vote for others, I try to make my posts quality.
I don't have much time right now. I choose between painting or dreaming.
I'm not complaining.
It's just not very nice to see your blog red with flags.
Acid can tell you more details. But this Adiana individual is one of the most rewarded person on hive. I think I was told once that it is a front. Not a person. I mean is she is certainly human, that is not what I am saying. But... well I will let Acid explain
Used to farm appreciator votes.
PS and now steempty
this is non-unique case, many individuals over many years... let me see if I can find an old example....
If you are more interested and want to go deep, here is what I am told the “process”
the way it works you find a pretty girl (she's his wife or sister, i forget). she should be a small time model and know how to post for pictures. get art, pretend to draw it, or just draw it poorly, touch it up, etc. take photo of girl on own. take photo of girl holding art. take photo of art sideways so trading and source not apparent. take photo of closeups. repeat
I'm actually quite knowledgeable when it comes to art fraud. Haven't been paying attention to this account though for awhile. Used to follow her but it became boring and repetitive (no offense andrianna). Never looked close enough I guess. But I used to actively look for art fraud and call it out. 100% success rate.
One guy back when votes were sold would take high res image of space with stars and stuff, probably grabbed it off the internet somewhere. Then he'd crop small squares out and post that, daily, calling it 'digital art'. He'd boost it to the top and suck thousands per week out of the pool. That's pretty much when I got sick of it. Go there and downvote and all they do is act like you're some monster, yet they're the shoplifter caught on video watching themselves steal and still denying it. It's so fucking ridiculous. Then you get folks like drakos there with comments like that... why even bother. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
But I just thought I'd ask here. I didn't know the details but I know there are a lot of art frauds around. Meanwhile the good artists are struggling sometimes. I'll do my best to support those ones when I can, since I actually can...
Why would I mention this every time?
I served my sentence on a fair list. So what's the problem then?
Why such an aggressive reaction?
I just said that I don't like flags. I expressed my opinion. Is it against the rules?
Let them come up with some other way of regulating the rewards.
I go to the blog and it is all red with flags.
Association with the flag is like a punishment for a violation to me. This is where the problem is.
I can't get used to the fact that flags are the norm now.
https://peakd.com/hive-167922/@acidyo/re-steempty-r57re1
mostly this for me.
PS! @drakos is a moron.
Makes sense. A lot of people complain that only the same few earn. There's even a complaint down at the bottom of this post. So you're trying to what? Help remedy the situation? While people like drakos can only sit and complain and do absolutely nothing.
Interesting.
I'm learning a lot today.
If you're referring to machan then yeah, she seems to be underrewarded and there's even an ocd vote on one of her active posts. Would be great if certain autovoters spread the rewards out more to cover more users and not only 10-12 ones I think steempty is voting for (myself included) which in turn don't seem to appreciate it much, stick to their daily posts, reply to comments they get but skip everything else Hive has to offer such as building connections, maybe commenting on other people's posts too, you know, socializing on a social media platform. Instead they just make the most out of it with low to medium effort content to get their daily post out and naturally most of them are just selling everything they earn (not that that matters much but it's worth noting) and then get entitled and loud when others think that's not right such as this post.
Yeah, machan. I voted earlier when I saw the comment and followed. First time I ever seen her around here. People do need to socialize more otherwise they're invisible. And yeah holy crap, when the auto votes start rolling in, I could never understand why some would get lazy and just take it for granted. Not everyone does though.
As for the downvotes en masse, it is quite shocking to the system. The content creator doesn't necessarily have control of who votes, how, and when. At the same time, when they're well aware the auto votes are coming, that's the wrong time to be slacking off. Yet it's not really the content creator being downvoted, it's the upvotes being downvoted. Still, it's hard not to take it personally. She did recommend offering an explanation, which in theory would put the mind at ease, but in practice often turns into chairs being thrown across the room. Why does this have to be so hard...
And then there's drakos, not doing a damn thing...
This is true and why I keep downvotes manual, no matter how much time they and the explanations and drama involved take out of my day.
There have been tons of discussions with this user about the downvotes before, some just don't want to accept it. It's also funny noticing how steempty's autovotes work, some users get a 100% vote on their first daily post where the second vote is only 10% or so, while on another user "matthew" something they are ~50% on both daily posts - naturally those in the former system only post once per day while the latter posts twice. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out that most authors just attempt to maximize them and in a way it wouldn't be wrong but when they barely even spend any time to do other things on Hive then I usually draw a line there and use my downvotes. The main fault is of the very passive autovoter who doesn't bother adjusting them or adding more onto his autovotes to scale the weight down with more users receiving them.
Anyway I'm not someone to go around casting downvotes for fun or to cause drama, in fact I gain close to nothing from it (unless you consider part of the downvoted rewards going to other people I've curated which may increase mine and everyone else's curation rewards slightly) but that is definitely not worth the effort, I could just post something random once per day to maximize my earnings of which I often forfeit the rewards cause of autovoters like this to begin with when I post things I know aren't that important or took a lot of effort/time to generate. It's important to make these downvotes that aren't malicious or zero out posts more normal because authors, especially those who don't provide any other kind of value to Hive and its stakeholders, because when the price starts going up they're just going to be even more aggressive and entitled for their unrealistic $500-1000 daily post rewards while many others are still left with dust rewards.
Yeah I can see how things could spiral out of control once the value spikes. I've seen a few talking about normalizing genuine downvotes. And I don't like seeing folks get zeroed out either unless it's clear abuse or an exploit being countered.
Also it's basic business common sense, giving someone half the value of a car every day just because they walked down the street and snapped a few photos with a phone, that's not sustainable. And the high value seems to attract more active members. If support isn't spread out, everyone shoots themselves in the foot, squanders another opportunity to grow, similar to the bidbot disaster.
Really need to focus on attracting that consumer base I've been talking about for years. The system is designed to function 'properly' when there are millions of actual legit consumers upvoting small amounts, spreading it out organically. You still end up with some people earning more than others, which is only natural in this industry, but millions can do a better job spreading out the pool to thousands of posts than what we have now which is like a few hundred spreading it out to thousands of posts. Plus with far more consumer comments being rewarded, it's spread even further; has more places to go. It would be so awesome to see comment sections here looking like Youtube comment sections, where the consumers upvote comments as well, rewarding one another and talking. But we don't have that here. Everyone shows up to create content. Everyone onboards more people to create content. But without an audience, it's so weird. I don't understand why the consumer role is neglected when it's the most important element.
I just said that I don't like flags.
When I go to a blog I see that my blog is all red with flags.
My heart is going to die.
For me, the flag is like a punishment for a violation.
I can't get used to the fact that the flag is the norm. For the settlement of rewards.
If only the awards were handled differently. At the same time, without marking it with a flag.
Yes, maybe I don't write too many comments by another user. But I write comments, I vote for others, I try to make my posts quality.
I don't have much time right now. I choose between painting or dreaming.
I'm not complaining.
It's just not very nice to see your blog red with flags.
nothing much. usual.
Acid can tell you more details. But this Adiana individual is one of the most rewarded person on hive. I think I was told once that it is a front. Not a person. I mean is she is certainly human, that is not what I am saying. But... well I will let Acid explain
Used to farm appreciator votes.
PS and now steempty
this is non-unique case, many individuals over many years... let me see if I can find an old example....
Interesting.
Certainly had me fooled, if that's the case.
Looking at Hivebuzz, yeah I can see that's a lot of earning and nothing to show for it. Drakos quip about 'small user' certainly isn't accurate.
Interesting.
If you are more interested and want to go deep, here is what I am told the “process”
I'm actually quite knowledgeable when it comes to art fraud. Haven't been paying attention to this account though for awhile. Used to follow her but it became boring and repetitive (no offense andrianna). Never looked close enough I guess. But I used to actively look for art fraud and call it out. 100% success rate.
One guy back when votes were sold would take high res image of space with stars and stuff, probably grabbed it off the internet somewhere. Then he'd crop small squares out and post that, daily, calling it 'digital art'. He'd boost it to the top and suck thousands per week out of the pool. That's pretty much when I got sick of it. Go there and downvote and all they do is act like you're some monster, yet they're the shoplifter caught on video watching themselves steal and still denying it. It's so fucking ridiculous. Then you get folks like drakos there with comments like that... why even bother. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
But I just thought I'd ask here. I didn't know the details but I know there are a lot of art frauds around. Meanwhile the good artists are struggling sometimes. I'll do my best to support those ones when I can, since I actually can...
Why would I mention this every time?
I served my sentence on a fair list. So what's the problem then?
Why such an aggressive reaction?
I just said that I don't like flags. I expressed my opinion. Is it against the rules?
Let them come up with some other way of regulating the rewards.
I go to the blog and it is all red with flags.
Association with the flag is like a punishment for a violation to me. This is where the problem is.
I can't get used to the fact that flags are the norm now.
Why are you doing this? Why are you insulting me "individual"?
Have I done something bad to you, or have I ever insulted you?