communism works just fine...as long as the group size is small. Two hundred (or so) max.
Bigger than that and it doesn't work so well.
as the group size increases..it works less and less well.
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communism works just fine...as long as the group size is small. Two hundred (or so) max.
Bigger than that and it doesn't work so well.
as the group size increases..it works less and less well.
The Puritans Pilgrims in Plymouth couldn't handle it and there were 50-100 of them. They had to give themselves private property so they wouldn't starve.
remember the bell curve..
perhaps they were to the left of the median.
perhaps five or ten per group was all that they could handle.
Basically it doesn't scale well with complexity. Yet, if things are limited and simple if can function.
For me the big issue is whether it is truly voluntary or not.
If everyone involved is involved voluntarily I have no problems with it.
The question and the point where it usually rears it's evil head is when you bring up the person that happens to be there that doesn't want to live that way, but they also are not trying to force other people.
Like... what if everyone agrees there is no personal property. Then a person creates something that is incredibly important to them and they decide it is their property.
They are now outside of the ideas of the community.
What do you do to them?
Do you steal from them?
Do you say it isn't stealing because there is no personal property?
To me Good = Voluntary, Evil = Involuntary.
The solution is the free market.
it scales perfectly well.
it works just fine every time it's been tried.
Weighing in here as the comparison in scaling ability is interesting.
I think that whilst communism can't practically scale up it presumes to systematize the totality of social organizations, meaning it must engulf the entire gamut of human life from the individual all the way on up to the societal, and even global, level. And that contradiction obviously factors in its breakdown.
The free market on the other hand does not scale down well. But does not presume to. Its principle is that the market arbitrates with the best practical effect on the whole. It does not work well on an individual basis, but it allows for ad hoc correction because it doesn't dictate conduct or policy, unlike communism.
The free market on the other hand does not scale down well
That is incorrect.
the Free market works perfectly well as P2P, bartering for a chicken for example, or buying/selling Steem on BlockTrades.
the fly in the ointment is when someone (government) trys to regulate it.
I disagree. You're right about your examples.
But it is at 3 people that interaction becomes society. Between 2 people that's intimacy, which is much, much less complex.
The point is that the results at the higher level are worse when you step down to the lower levels.
I agree. Yet that is also not communism. :)
The free market is not..
but the free market can work BETWEEN (tiny) communist organizations (extended families...communes)
Well that has been something I've pointed out before.
Communism can actually exist voluntarily inside of a Free Market Economy.
However a Free Market Economy cannot exist inside of Communism.
exactly right.
the free market scales.
communism does not.
Bullshit it wont even work then. All you would need is a couple people in the group who actual get shit done and bam you are back at square one.