As much as I disagree with almost everything you have to say and what you stand for , I can see why such a purge would be problematic to the overall ecosystem of ideas.
If I recall your positions correctly , you are anti-regulation and pro-private property. By your own standard , you shouldn't have any issue with a private (non govt) company enforcing it's TOS in which you are "free to participate".
Why is it that these things only become an issue when they affect you personally ?
Looking forward to your reply !!
He hasn't said he has a problem with them enforcing their TOS. If he doesn't believe he's violated their TOS, then he's correct to call attention to the mistake that they're making and ask for support.
Nothing inconsistent about that. You're just bobbling the Xs and Os of it and then accusing him of hypocrisy.
In your mind, what? It's fair game for other people to complain to YouTube about him, but he's not allowed to ask his followers to show support? That's consistency to you?
Here is the inconsistency :
Stefan has been a private propery rights above all kind of guy all his career , what that leads to is the monopoly like FB/TW has over the digital town square.
Current situation is the logical outcome of his own philosophy and he is complaining against it ,
surely he is taking a subdued tone in his complaints because he still has hopes that situation is resolvable with youtube. It's the classical case of be careful what you wish for , it might just come true.
Here is Stefan ranting in favor of monopolies ...
Keep in mind , this doesn't stop here and FB/TW will censor all of the anti -establishment voices ( left or right) as they rolled out the phase 1 of demonetization last year.
Even if that's true it wouldn't be hypocrisy, unless he was trying to strip them if their property rights for some reason (which of course he isn't).
You're also assuming his "complaint" is based only around the idea of it being a large company. If this happened on Vimeo or if there was no monopoly sort of thing, he may still wish to not have strikes on his account.
And no, it's a pretty lousy assumption that property rights is what leads to centralization and monopolies. You realize we live under a state and that these platforms exist in a controlled/regulated environment right?
Seems like you just don't like Stefan lol.
Yes, Lol indeed.
That's the whole point they don't exist under appropriate regulation , if they did , such monopoly would not exist.
Under appropriate regulation ,maybe as a utility , political speech would be treated under first amendment /free speech mandate . Just like ISPs can't block Infowar for customers , FB shouldn't be able to block it as well.
It's pretty obvious he is complaining since youtube has a large audience. I don't see how your tangent about vimeo is relevant at all.
#notanargument
Oh, you're saying you want them to be controlled so that the controllers force them to let everyone use their platform? That seems awful to me and unlikely to work out as you want lol
But in any case you should think through what inconsistency/hypocrisy means. Stef would only be guilty of it if he said "free market / non aggression" and did otherwise. Asking for support to help stay on the platform is a non aggressive action.
The Vimeo thing is saying that the size and scope of the site has nothing to do with whether Stef's behavior violates free market / non-aggression
Lol.
Nice try, kiddo. That sentence wasn't intended as an argument. I was just adding a little flair to the end :p The arguments were up above it
Alright man. ..have a nice day
you too
Also if you try to find you can find many glaring u-turns he has taken from his own philosophy...off the top of my head , I am reminded of the time when he DMCAd someone ..while preaching he doesn't support copyright at all.
Bingo. I had a tremendous respect for Molyneux before his slide into hypocrisy that began at that DCMA incident. He has produced some great material and he is a deep thinker.
I asked several folks who interacted with him regularly like Dana Martin what is going on with Molyneux and nobody has a good answer. Dana said he just stopped communicating with her and she added others were "cut off" at roughly the same time in much the same way.
I do have to agree with the person who replied to you:
It's not property rights that cause that. Monopolies wouldn't last long if government didn't provide subsidies and protections that encourage them.
I would like to draw your attention to below..specifically the "above all" part.
Of course we need to have private property right but its all about balance.
Highly unlikely you will get one from Stefan. I do like that you used logic to show how his actions are inconsistent with what he says. Not exactly the mark of a quality philosopher with solid standards.
What is he inconsistent about?
You won't get an answer to this. Because nothing is inconsistent :)
It's completely consistent with free speech and private property and all that to ask people to support you. Apparently in their mind, when people complain to YouTube about him, he's not allowed to ask people for support and ask YouTube to review the strikes. (They're projecting. They're the hypocrites.)
Did you see how he replied? Such a shameless dodge. Did he think I was using Peterson as a personal authority? I really think we need to teach basic logic in schools.
ya!! it's such an important skill. it's like you need to be able to stay on track before you start debating ideas or whatever.
if nothing else, schools could at least STOP teaching kids NOT to think :p
I try...
They should be free to do what they want, but they shouldn't choose to do it because i doing so they thereby take responsibility for all their content. ie. there's no way to police all the content. They've gone down their own rabbit hole of self destruction in doing so. He's not being inconsistent because he's not saying YT should be legally forced to do anything, or is he?
Why the complaining and whinging then ? it is perfectly aligned with his world view of absolutist private property , even at the point when these platforms become monopoly for public discourse.
Keep in mind , this is not going to stop here until we recognize such digital public squares needs to be looked at as utilities.
You're talking about two different things.
I'll let Jordan Peterson explain it as he does it better:
Thanks but no Thanks, I don't need to listen to Jordan Peterson on anything else except - clean my room , get some exercise.
He is still figuring out whether civil rights for black people are justified
Or enforcing equality of outcome when it suits his position
I'm not getting pulled into a "sidestepping" game, we were talking about one subject and now you're trying to talk about something else. Quite typical of the Left and their gymnastics.
alright....have a nice day..
and failing at climate change ,
You see dropping youtube links to support your own viewpoint is not quite difficult , every variety is available on the interwebs.
:)
You can be pro-private property and anti-government regulation while still voicing your opinions to businesses. If he were advocating the government to do something about youtube's decisions, then he would be inconsistent.
so everytime FB/Youtube suppresses public discourse we are supposed to do such a campaign ? sounds like a band-aid solution to me.