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RE: Chinese Pseudoscience #1: Acupuncture 针刺 - Part 2: Research

I will believe the millions of people that acupuncture has helped over any rockafeller, snake oil salesman, medicine funded analysis.

If it is all just placebo effect, then I would suggest everyone to use acupuncture. Go get some needles stuck in you. Lay on a table for an hour. If you get better, great. If not, no big loss.

However, why would you trust any study about Qi by people who do not believe in Qi? Talk to people who know and work with Qi, and they will tell you how the can see and feel acupuncture working.

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Well that's a little like saying You should only seek God through those who tell you God is real. Of course people who believe God is real will tell you that. That's heavy bias and unreliable. People need to learn to find out for themselves what is true and what is not. It's no coincidence people in Muslim countries are born Muslim, and people in Christian countries are born Christian. God didn't make it that way, kids just listen to what their parents tell them. Only when we're adults can we take a step back and gather our own opinions.

Also, if you read part one, I go deeply into the history of acupuncture in China, where it originated, and how, historically, the Chinese didn't even consider it real medicine and even had it banned for being random nonsense. It only came back because Mao Zedong needed it as a political tool, to keep the poor people happy since there were not enough western doctors for the huge number of people.

If western studies don't see it as true, and Chinese scholars didn't see it as true, am I just to believe it anyway? Why?

If I believe in these little things that are in the air, skin, water, that can't be seen, but make people sick, should I be believed?

Well, nowadays we call these germs.

Qi has been scientifically shown to exist. Still, most western scientists/doctors believe it is just superstition. If you ask someone who doesn't believe in Qi, you will get a heavy bias to the negative in all things. So, you just get a NO, because they don't know.

Show me the scientific evidence that Qi exists and we can discuss that, otherwise we will just go round in circles. If it's scientific, why on earth would there be an east/west divide on what is factually true?

Do the laws of physics change as you enter the western hemisphere? Don't you think it's odd that Chinese people claim to see something that nobody else in the world (African, South American, North American, European, Australian) can?

The point of science is that it ISN'T bias, if done properly. It takes out the human aspect because the studies can be replicated, scrutinized and peer reviewed among anybody and thus anything that turns out fake will be called out as fake.

Yet 3,000 studies have not been called out as fake. Why not?

Wheres the evidence for Qi? I'd be very interested to read

You are not that interested, else you would have done a boogle search and be burried in the research, falling down the rabbit hole.

Science also says that the aether doesn't exist. When there is proof all around that it does, and the only disproof is two shysters who tried to measure it in a peculiar way that only would work in a few scenarios. Such as, aether's direction not being straight down.

The point is, that science is biased. And there are people out there that are specifically trying to delude the world.

Our current science books will be thrown out within two generations. The reading is too dry to even make good fiction, they won't even be kept around for people in the future to laugh at.

The burden of proof is not on me, in this case, it's on the party trying to disprove it: you. So... you have no evidence, I gather? How about evidence for aether?

Sounds like you have issues with your life and are blaming forces you can't control. Maybe consider a new career direction?

Rotflol.

Until you start questioning the programming yourself, nothing I can say, nor the huge piles of proofs will make any difference.

All I can do is point to the door, and say that there is more out there.

If there are lots of people who say there is an elephant in the room, and you say, I demand proof... What can I do with a statement like that. It is right there. Open your eyes; use your hands.

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