I think your overreacting to a guy who is working. He spent the first half of his post telling you other ways to get signed up. He spent the time and is providing a service. Bringing up the other $180 service he tried is a moot point.
I don't really like him, but I don't hate him for trying. And he isn't trying to hurt anyone is he? Was he deceptive? No quite up front about it.
I have followed him because he was talking about signups taking long times for friends and family getting onboarded to steemit.
I think there are 100 other topics worth discussion. Maybe your post says more about you then Jerry. Someone I never thought I would be defending.
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"Someone I never thought I would be defending."
It gets tough being drafted (pressed) into a regular devil's advocate, doesn't it?
(pressed)?
I realize he loves your work; and, can understand why you're taking the high-road on the matter; but when playing the devil's advocate; be careful to not get burned.
He's got an innocent presence that could sell manure as ice cream.
Everybody can't be wrong. In a court of law only 12 people would decide guilt or innocence. By the looks of this comment section, in this case he'd fare on the side of the former.
Peace.
"(pressed)?"
It's a synonym for drafted, sort of an old-timey, naval term.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impressment
Big issue for the war of 1812.
"but when playing the devil's advocate; be careful to not get burned."
Good advice. I'm only advocating for evidence for any claims people make, that is all. A fair trial, if you will.
"Everybody can't be wrong."
Eh...not so sure about that one...
"By the looks of this comment section, in this case he'd fare on the side of the former."
That's why we need someone willing to ask for a fair hearing. 99% of people didn't even realize I wrote the witness posts when they assembled this pitchfork mob (exaggerated for comedic effect).
pitchfork mob
That's exactly what that felt like last week; and, I walked right into the thick of it by not looking at the writing on the tape covering my camera MYOB!
"Everybody can't be wrong."
Eh...not so sure about that one...
For sure you're a million% right on that one. How many have been falsely accused when things were taken at face value?
i.e. Yes, I might have icing on my chin; but it doesn't prove I ate the last slice of cake. I may have just frosted a new one...
Poor analogy on my part; but, to keep things light, I get it.
While, I'm glad the conversation caught fire, it let me know that eyes are watching. But, I couldn't help but feel in the middle of it, that some will have a beef with him, no matter what he does; halo or horns.
So, on that note, peace and love is my choice for the day. Everything else is tooooooo tiring for my spirit.
Peace!
" I couldn't help but feel in the middle of it, that some will have a beef with him, no matter what he does; halo or horns."
I think you might be right there!
The saga continues:
https://steemit.com/happierpeople/@jerrybanfield/assuming-positive-intent-178
I don't agree, particularly, with what is going on here:
https://steemit.com/introduceyourself/@laurabanfield/hi-steemit-here-s-to-new-beginnings
Yes, I saw the thumbnails for these links; and will definitely give them a look when I get caught up with the drafts.
Praising God, things are flowing glitch-free for the now.
One thing I've learned from successful people is they don't hover underneath a dark cloud. They are always in forward progression, moving towards sunny, blue skies.
The recent links serve as a great way to take the light off last week's firestorm; and, start anew.
Positivity has no room for the negative.
Peace.
"Positivity has no room for the negative."
Well, it seems to work out ok on batteries and magnets!
thats mean
Indeed.
Did you read the other people's comments on this post and Jerry's two recent posts? Are they over-reacting too?
I deal with stuck accounts on a daily basis, go to the #help channel on steemit.chat and see what goes on there, how many frustrated users show up daily and how we deal with them by giving them the best affordable advice we can, in public and in private messages. Ask any of them, how has @drakos or @timcliff helped you recently.
So when I saw that $50 flashing in my face, I had to react accordingly, because it's an insult to my and other helping volunteers efforts, and it's an insult to the community.
"Did you read the other people's comments on this post and Jerry's two recent posts? Are they over-reacting too?"
Yeah, kinda. Nobody is giving the stupidity explanation due consideration.
Frankly, the fact that I had to go on MSP Waves to get people to realize that I write all the witness posts and I don't think Jerry even reads them (because I also proof-read them) was just staggering.
Nobody around here is developing an informed, dispassionate opinion based on the facts...except, like, me (harhar).
But again, I apparently am the only person who read the posts where it states over and over again the posts are my words.
"So when I saw that $50 flashing in my face, I had to react accordingly, because it's an insult to my and other helping volunteers efforts, and it's an insult to the community."
Are Rolex's watches an insult to Timex's watches?
If you prefer something more comparable...
Is Whole Foods' milk an insult to Wal-Mart's milk?
If I negotiate a contract for pay twice that of a similar coworker, is my job an insult to theirs?
Why are you guys so pissed off at a self-admitted reformed alcoholic who keeps going to AA not knowing some shit about the Steemit platform? Of course a guy like that is going to make some dumb mistakes, especially given we ALL do.
Is it not obvious what Jerry's value here would be (sign-ups?)
timex kind of an insult to rolex actually...
So you do speak?!!!
I thought you are a shadow bot!
Glad to know you are human
yea but i dont really like to
LOL!
That's ok if its good with you.
Thanks for the upvotes :)
Hah, a fair point, but in this case we're talking about totally different levels of quality and aesthetics. It's a poor analogy, to be fair.
I really don't care if he's AA or not, I wasn't even aware of it, and it's not even part of the issue. His personal life is his own, I'm not debating that. We all have our own sad stories, and it's not the key to redemption when someone messes up repeatedly. So throwing his AA story to get pity doesn't work on me. Marketers can manipulate people into selling their mother's soul if they wanted to.
Oh look, cute eyes, let's forgive him... NO!
"So throwing his AA story to get pity doesn't work on me."
It's not about pity. You brought that up, not me. It's about a rational explanation for what has happened leading to a determination of what he can offer the community.
"Marketers can manipulate people into selling their mother's soul if they wanted to."
Yes, the idea is Jerry might be able to do that for Steem in a way that increases adoption.
Do you see how he has pros and cons?
The only rational explanation I can see from this who thing, is that he is not a person to depend on when it comes to quality or trust!
What type of adoption he is increasing? More people to vote him and give him more money?
More spammers?
Even if you don't like to admit that he is scamming people out of their money (and its probably the fault of those people that are stupid enough or rich enough to get scammed). It is obvious that he is not doing things for steemit.
We all want to make money, but to go that far to make money is kinda sickening, especially when there are many other people who write better materials and are more honest, but they don't get the attention they deserve because of practices like this.
I am kinda awed by this whole thing. Never knew it turned out this way!
guess not...
$50, more like $85 + $13-25 tip he begged for at the end of the "checkout process".
I think the "suggested tip" was rolled into the $50, wasn't it?
It was 30 steem account creation fee + ~$14 suggested tip totalling approx. $50?
Could be wrong there.
It was 50 Steem, (14 Steem was a tip) but at the end of the check out he asked for another 10-20 Stem tip to make you "feel good". This was steem not SBD so another 15-50% more than SBD.
Yeah, well I certainly can't argue that those numbers aren't bad.
Tip? For what?
I am barely making any money in steem, I have 2 jobs in real life that barely pay my rent and still try to keep my page updated by writing at least 1 post per day. I also work as a writer for another group on steemit as a way of supporting each other and I haven't been paid a penny even, so far.
I certainly can't imagine how people (whales in particular) are supporting such outrageous behaviors.
Who can we trust in this case? Scary world indeed
"Tip? For what?"
Well, for the service. I'm not saying it is or is not justified, just explaining what appear to be the motivations.
"I am barely making any money in steem, I have 2 jobs in real life that barely pay my rent and still try to keep my page updated by writing at least 1 post per day. I also work as a writer for another group on steemit as a way of supporting each other and I haven't been paid a penny even, so far."
I'm afraid none of that has anything to do with what Jerry can or should charge for a hypothetical service. However, I understand the distaste completely.
"I certainly can't imagine how people (whales in particular) are supporting such outrageous behaviors."
Life runs on game theory, except when emotions make people irrational. Jerry is one of the best sources of curation rewards on the platform, so that is enough to get lots of autovotes.
"Who can we trust in this case? Scary world indeed"
Probably anyone not trying to tell you to trust them.
"Great men do not desire power, they have power thrust upon them." - Worf