Who is the real sock puppet here?
This post is in reply to yet another harassment post made by @bacchist and @ats-david
Before I start, I want to say how disappointed I am on those who have been buying into this crap, they post few screen shots, circle few obvious stuff and all of a sudden you guys draw a conclusion. They keep beating around the bush, but don’t say exactly what it is that I have done wrong, it's all beef with no meat.
You guys need to realize the bigger picture, I am the straw man, it's a smear campaign”, sponsored by Ned. They are using me to scare all of you into submission of identification. It's a scare tactic. “This is what will happen to you if you don’t ID when the time comes, If you try to stay anonymous, if you create more than one account, even though it’s a fee based feature, you will be harassed, you will be treated, etc. etc.. Read on, you will see what I mean.
All the “facts” they have presented is all system functions, creating accounts, promoting accounts, sharing links, voting”. The only thing I get from their posts is that I did not pre announce that those accounts were created by me.. Sorry, I will give the public heads up everytime I create a new account from now on… ← That was sarcasm btw,
I drafted this reply post when @bacchist first made his post, but chose not to post it since it is not good for this platform, hence my bottom line.
Matter of fact, If I was the competition, I would do exactly what @bacchist and @ats.david are doing to discredit the platform. However, since Ned seems to be supporting their posts, I might as well go ahead and post it.
Lets dissect their posts, starting with @bacchist.
I am not going to do this every time this sock puppets thinks he has something worthwhile to post. Not that @bacchist have any credibility left and why people even take him serious, boggles my mind, but I hope this post will put the last nail on the coffin.
Twice, I had to put this dick nosed monkey sock puppet (the avatar is so fitting) in his place for making public accusation based on… well I am not even sure what I am being accused of or if the accusation even has any merit. Twice, I had to sink to his level and clarify a few things in steemit.chat, which I should have recorded on the Steem blockchain instead, publicly, so his scrutiny wouldn't be confined only within steemit.chat.
The thing is, none of this is the public's business; that is to say, who I promote, work with or am friends with
First time this sock puppet was able to see that the account Lakers created two accounts and immediately made a public “OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!!” comments, after clarifying that I’ve created those accounts for two writers that I introduced to steemit, he PMs me with an apology.
To give some background on the writers.
I met Ray ( @lifeisawsome ) in Breakout coin Slack where he would share his Huffington Post articles. I am sure he can provide links to his huff posts if you ask him. However, world wide audience and followers and community interaction he has received from steemit does not compare, to paraphrase him.
He was skeptical at first, but I am sure he is more confident with his posts and technical aspects of steem/steemit by now. Honeyscribe is a very close friend of Ray and a very nice person that I’ve come to know, that I also decided to help promote her work. (I can’t believe I am even having to disclose all this ...)
The second time he accused of me of actually writing those posts using those accounts. Though I am flattered by that comment. This sock puppet has done it again, made another public post with wild accusation, harassing the writers, demanding ID verification from the writers, etc. etc.
This lead to illuminaughti contacting honeyscribe on facebook to confirm if the account/writer was legitimate and she confirmed within steemit.chat that it was.
“illuminaughti 4:56 AM
Hi all, I've spoken to honeyscribe on facebook, she's a real person who is concerned about her privacy. I hope this lays this issue to rest”
Though I did not get a private or public apology from the sock puppet this time around.
Now you would think that at this point he would quite right? That he had lost all credibility? WRONG!!!
Round 3, Again, he made a public post (https://steemit.com/sockpuppets/@bacchist/take-two-and-action) because he found a “discrepancy” when I made a brief introduction comment about @lifeisawsome. I spoke with Lia in regards to his comment, he laughed it off, rightfully and explained. Its not my place to answer for him, you can ask him on Steemit or steemit.chat which he has joined.
Sock Puppet: “A couple weeks ago, I posted a controversial piece about a certain whale who had been gaming the system, possibly with the help of a few of his whale buddies.”
If gaming the system is helping to promote my buddies’ work, then I am guilty. If helping to promote friends’ and families’ work is a bad thing, then I am a bad guy and, dare I say it, even vote on their posts myself. If you think I put all my time and effort to grow my investment on this platform and not help friends and family, then you are delusional.
Sock Puppet: “There was a lot of activity on the Rocket.Chat, as he floundered to explain his early support of @msgivings, a well known account whose plagiarism was exposed. Eventually, after nearly two hours of simply claiming no knowledge of his early votes on @msgivings posts, he made a claim which was vaguely plausible but not disprovable at the time... I was forced to redact my post. “
I am not going to touch this one. Don’t even try to pin this account on me since there is nothing to pin. But you can die trying. Good tactic on associating the negativity of that account with me by bringing it up regardless of irrelevance, even though your last comment was that you “redact your post” in regards to it.
In your post you mention @msgivings and all the plagiarized work, which he might of done and as far as I remember, I flagged a post of his after it was brought to my attention slack/steem.chat. But, what's sneaky of you is that you listed @lifeisawesome and @honeyscribe right after mentioning @msgivings in your post, without any accusations of their wrong doing. In short, what you are doing is making them appear to be guilty by association. Nice tactic.
Sock Puppet: “The @lakers account was mined using the same active key as another account, @salus. Both @salus and @kushed withdrew funds to the same Bittrex account:”
Not sure where he is going with this one. It was already stated that Lakers is mine.
It also should be obvious that Salus is mine as well since Salus logo is the avatar I use on Slack, Steemit.chat and BCT.. Are we not allowed to create more than 1 account?
Wtf, why even bring this up? Hows this even relevant? Oh I get it, because, screenshots.. ;) gothcya, people like screenshot, they automatically think it means something.
Sock Puppet followed up by asking everyone to stop voting for me as a witness. From the looks of it his paid fluff piece worked.
The thing is, I am not even a top witness, I am a backup witness, and my chances of hitting a block is just as good as any other backup, regardless of rank. So downvote all you want. My witness node will keep running till it’s no longer profitable to do so.
Fuck it, let's flip this around...
ANYONE THAT VOTES FOR WITNESS KUSHED, I WILL FOLLOW YOU AND VOTE ON YOUR POSTS.
(as long as it's not plagiarized or anything)
By now most of you are probably curious as to why I have been referring to him as a “Sock puppet”.
Well, I did some “detective” work of my own and it turns out that the puppet master is none other than Ned, CEO of Steemit, the official sponsor or “Harass Steemit user's Movement”
For “consulting”... Right!. Ned you misspelled harassing.
and
Now, I don’t want to make a definite conclusion from this, it might of been for “real consulting”, you know, to better the platform (ha!). But if public posts are being made about me based on assumptions and presented as a fact of whatever wrongdoing (still not clear on this) then I should be able to do the same.
And here is another one, when the Sock Puppet made his last post “take-two-and-action”.
Looks like the puppet master is supporting his sock puppet with his farm of sock accounts by upvoting that post. I could be wrong, but since we are assuming and blaming, I will do the same.
Steemitabuse-classic is a great channel and serves a good purpose as far as detecting plagiarized and such posts. But it has been hijacked with others who choose to use the channel's good name to harass others, pressuring them into providing ID or prove that the article wasn’t written by an AI, etc...
As far as I know, Steemit is working on implementing ID verification system, and I am sure there will be an incentive for users to do so. As it’s apparent there are users who are ok with this, but also a big majority will choose to stay anonymous and seek/create another Interface to Steem or go with a competing platform that will offer it as a choice and dare I say, even encouraged. However, if you are one of those that will choose to stay anonymous, then you are considered to be “Shit” by Steemit CEO himself.
So, till that's official and rolled in. Stop the harassment and the witch-hunt. This is not good for the platform. Then again, this puppet is probably getting used (without even knowing) in to harassing people, to let the community know what to expect when the day comes and they don't go through the ID verification system.
I am not even against having a platform that supports and incentivises those who choose to partake in it. It’s your platform and if a portion of the user base chooses to ID themselves, then great. But harassment and witch-hunt is not the way to go.
Prior to all the sock puppets’ post, I was approached by members of Curie project in order to donate my voting weight to the project, which I agreed to and still plan on doing so, even stop powering down to have better effect.
I always helped this platform where I could, as I care for my investment. I want this platform to grow and be a success, since I have a financial incentive to do so. The posts of exploiting the system by a (small) whale does not look good, help anyone, especially the platform.
Now, if you think I am somehow exploiting the system, then Dan should thank me, make a post about it and hopefully fix the exploit. Just as he did to supercomputing for finding an exploit and going as far as saying that earned rewards from the exploit are well deserved.
Socket Puppet: “Implicated accounts have drained the reward pool of over $70k at a time where the price of Steem is declining and legitimate authors are unable to make any money at all.”
^ thats a nice big number you pulled out of your ass based on false assumptions.
But I can play this game too… Lets look at how much money Dan (dantheman) drained from the reward pool every time he took a puff from the magic dragon and had an epiphany moment https://steemit.com/@dantheman
Now the “legitimate authors are unable to make any money at all.”
Also the dumping keeps coming non-stop…
And while Dan is “draining the reward pool” and dumping on all of you and calling it “crowdfunding”, the competition, Synereo just burned $140 Million worth of amp in order to increase the value of their platform and the investment of their users.
https://steemit.com/synereo/@tee-em/breaking-news-synereo-amps-burnt-to-the-tune-of
As far as @ats-davids posts goes, its a complete regurgitation of @bacchist’s post with the exception of @perspective and as far as that account goes, I presented a list of mined accounts and that name struck as a good one . When someone I know asks me for a Steem account, I create one for them without asking what it will be used for. It’s their business and not my place to ask. But, since you people don’t want to mind your own business, here is @honeys posts in regards to it. https://steemit.com/identity/@honeyscribe/of-sock-puppets-and-witch-hunts
Matter of fact, I even made this process easy. I was not going to announce this yet, still in beta, but I’ve had website created for various Steem account related services. At the moment only Account creation service is available, still in beta, so you are all welcome to test it. Will also be adding account auction, High SP account Auction, anon posting (in the sense that I claim not to be tracking IPs as I do not know Steemit’s policy on that) with improved markdown editor and Savings related services. http://www.steemaccounts.com/
The thing is, if I want to exploit the system, I can do it with ease, in the open, without breaking any laws, and the only law that could govern and dictate my actions would have to be in the code. I can easily make a post saying that I will upvote anyone's post if they send me a single SBD and I guarantee you I can make at the least, few hundred a day and I am being generous here. I might even look into that article writing AI or by other means, if I am pushed enough.
I’ve been here since day one, I was a top witness at the beginning, I’ve been around when witness needed to be on call 24/7 since we were forking every other day back then, I lost a lot of sleep and spent all my time and effort on Steem/it. At one point, like most of us, even stopped paying attention to my own project, I was dedicating all my time to promote Steemit. Nowadays, witnesses have it easy, most of the kinks have been worked out and mostly it's on autopilot.
As far as witnesses go, and someone who deserves to be one but has been forced out, is @nextgencrypto, who I still consider to be the #1 contributor out of all witnesses and has brought a lot of new users to the platform via the services he had created. Don’t get me wrong, some have done incredible work and deserve credit, but this is my opinion. He was pushed out because he has been vocal about concerns in regards to some major changes prior to July 4th and some minor ones after. In fact, I happened to agree with him on some some of those issues. I don’t need to go into details of all the contributions of his, but Curie project alone should give you an idea. Most of the witnesses are BTS puppets of Dan, with an exception of couple, most are just a “yes” man, and Dan votes for them to ensure his changes will also be accepted by the witness on this “decentralized” network without any objections. And if you happen to disagree with him, then it's, “Fuck off to you.”
Most top witnesses are dead weight, but I am glad to see those who actually do contribute make the list, latest addition being Jesta.
Too bad we don’t have an archive dump of the original Slack conversation. Maybe for the sake of transparency, the team should release those.
Now as far as what I have done for Steem(it)..
I’ll make a list of it here for the record, since most of you weren’t around back than when I was a top witness and making contributions as expected from a witness.
Yes, I don’t code, but I believe my contributions were just as important as most of you might of found your way to Steemit because of me.
During the early days, I started a promo campaign for steemit prior and during official announcement of the platform. During the time when increasing user base was
priority #1.
Listed below are the things I’ve done and was involved with besides the basic responsibilities of running a witness and a seed node.
Created this Infographic for new users...
Had it translated to multiple languages…
Had it posted in various forums…
Bitcointalk | 829922 total members
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1479401.0Bitcoin Garden bitcoingarden.tk | 4,360 total members
http://bitcoingarden.tk/forum/index.php?topic=8136.msg113964#msg113964cryptocointalk.com | 26,000 total members
https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/47158-ann-steem-steemitcom-blogging-is-the-new-mining/#entry215834
4)Allcryptotalk.com | 8,526 total members
https://allcryptotalk.com/index.php?/topic/2672
- Bitcoin.com | 5000 total members
https://forum.bitcoin.com/post23019.html#p23019
Ran a Poloniex twitter campaign.
Potential Reach of retweeters
- Personal Tweets
1,700
50K+ - Bitcoin Garden
30,000
150K+ - Promotions Group
7,500
120K+ - Coinbar & SSN
25,000
100K+
Posted about steemit on various crypto related Sub-reddits.
/r/crypto
/r/CryptoCurrency
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/r/altcoin/
Ran an ongoing banner Ad on BitcoinGarden forum.
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Start a Steemit discussions on various Troll boxes…
TrollBoxes
Poloniex
C-Cex
Yo-Bit
BTC-E
Bleutrade
IRC - Crypto related
Arranged an interview for Ned with CoreMedia
Arranged an interview (to be) with Dogecoindark Radio - http://dogecoindark.net/radio/
Ran a poloniex Coin Request form campaign.
Forums:
1) Bitcointalk
2) Bitcoin Garden
3) cryptocointalk.com
4) All Crypto Talk
5) Steem Slack
Twitter Blasts to poloniex requesting Steem
1) Personal Tweets
2) Bitcoin Garden
3) Promotions Group
4) Coinbar & SSN
Direct Contact:
1) Direct PMs to key people
2) Contact key poloniex mods as a reminder
3) IRC discussions
Paid to have Steem added to a Noble Payment platform…
https://steemit.com/steem/@kushed/steem-now-on-noble-blockchain-payment-app
(Paid to have Coinpayments.com as well, but their reply was that at the moment their platform is not compatible with Steem.)
Currently work account related services as proposed here.
https://steemit.com/steem-accounts/@kushed/steem-accounts-auction
A blogging site that is still work in progress..
http://steem.press/
and
http://www.steemaccounts.com/
Most of you are here because of me, or from word of mouth from someone that found out about steemit because of my efforts. So please downvote a way. I am sure it will help improve the platform.
This is the last time I will be replying or even defending myself to anyone and I will continue to do what I do as I see nothing wrong with it…
If it’s in the code … It's in the code!
From now on, if you think I am exploiting the system, or a vulnerability or doing anything unethical, then please report it to Steemit team and have them fix the exploit and you might even get a “Thank you!” from Dan for it.
I would also like to ask Steemit.chat admins to either ban bacchist, or tell him to start a new channel and call it “Harassmant and Shaming”
Thank you,
-Kushed
This BS with sock puppets is completely missing the point and starting to get on my nerves. And I usually like both of you guys.
As I said here, there's no "writing AI" capable of writing these posts, if there were it'd be licensed to AP and wouldn't be visiting here because pro AP writers with an established name can easily make $15k for an article.
It's just a tasked being farmed out, deal with it.
There's also nothing wrong with farming out the task of writing to others.
It's common in the industry it's called Ghost Writing and it's the norm!
You really think all those novels by Tom Clancy & Stephen King are actually written by them? Give me a break!
To people that are complaining it's a whale conspiracy, my advice is buy more steem while it's cheap. You have a couple of weeks left before @dan et al won't be able to dump it fast enough keep up with the demand.
There is something in the works that will push the demand for it through the stratosphere. I'll be talking about it on my blog in a couple hours.
But ya'll need to bury this hatchet right away, you're making it impossible for folks like me who see this as a business proposition, to bring others onto this platform.
I just barely convinced my own sister to come over. Mostly the hold up in the real world is this bickering and the stupid flag wars, put it to rest will ya? I swear to god you guys remind me of children.
Anyways I've upvoted and followed and I'm reblogging this because it does need to be seen. I also voted for you and smooth for witness (finally figured that one out).
@kushed while I know you were joking about the upvote thing, my next blog entitled "This is a Real Game Changer" is super important and I really hope you will upvote it, it needs the visibility
Thanks!
I can support everything that @kushed said about the early days of Steem (before the site was even open and the entirety of the community was on the old Slack) and his tireless efforts to promote it. There is a reason he was, at one time the #1 voted witness, despite not being a huge whale.
I worked with @kushed and very much supported his critical efforts to promote Steem and bring users (when there were literally none). Many of you would not be here and would not have heard of Steem were it not for learning about it directly or indirectly as a result of his efforts.
I worked endlessely to try to convince people to keep him in the witness list on the basis of his contributions and tireless dedication to promote the platform (something we surely need given slow to non-existent growth), but despite my efforts, he was forced out (as was nextgencrypto). On merit and past and potential future contributions to Steem, both should be primary witnesses over several who are there now. (I'm not going to name names, but do your homework; it isn't hard to figure out, and if you can't figure out or find out what someone is doing to help Steem/it, isn't that alone evidence of a problem?)
I don't support and will not support any of these "investigations" and I believe they are bad for Steem/it, and some of the collateral damage shown both in this post and in @honeyscribe's post should make the reasons clear, though I also believe it is bad for the platform as a whole, apart from any impact on any individuals. I hope this is the last we see of this approach of people appointing themselves (or being hired) as 'Steemit Police', hounding people, and attacking our own over differences of opinion, though I fear it may not be.
I appreciate this post. I understand and believe you when you say you won't reply but I do think there is a good chance you'll read this.
I'm a newbie. I don't follow cryptocurrency. I am not the least bit interested in anarcho-anything. The blockchain meant nothing to me. But then I saw an article -- maybe your handiwork -- and was intrigued enough to join.
I'm still intrigued enough to be writing this now. However, I am not as intrigued as I was a month ago and, just as much as you played a part in my early interest you also played a part in my waning interest. That is not a complaint or condemnation, just a statement of my fact.
Every action you took may have been backed by the best of intentions -- at this point the only thing clear to me is that nothing is clear to me. That's on me. But it is also on you, and the people (accounts) with you, and on the people (accounts) against you. And on the platform itself.
This is not social media. Social media is driven socially. By people. You point out very clearly that you believe this platform and the people on it should have no issue with people having multiple accounts and using them as they see fit. The code allows. So, the code condones.
That may be great overall but it's not great for me. I was excited by 'anonymous openness' but I am turned off by 'condoned obfuscation'. Again not a judgement but a clarification of my own position.
I began here with the idea that good curation would be rewarded -- that was then shot down by a post by Dan that clarified that curation was a game for the rich. I continued with the idea that good commenting could be rewarded -- that was then shot down, in no small part by you, by purposely or not funneling daily rewards to chosen people(accounts). I remained interested because I could interact with people who were not my "friends". Even anarchists! But then people became 'maybe people'.
What's left -- why would a non-blogger non-anarchist non-sp-holder continue to visit steemit? After all, I think that describes not just me, but also just about everyone else in the world?
I am still here. Just running out of reasons why. Help me identify the next reason to stay.
Where else can you obtain some cryptotoken by merely participating in a platform?
Today.... nowhere..... tomorrow..... that's why there needs to be a better answer than this.
"by merely participating in a platform?"
What do you mean merely? Why is producing unique web content being minimized here? Pretty much any other crypto currency that launches rewards people for participating. There is always a chance to earn coins by participating. Usually in the form of mining or bounties.
Steemit's barrier to participating may be lower than others but the actual work involved in making any real money isn't easy unless you have a few whale friends like @kushed to make sure you get a head start.
Beyond curation being a game for the rich, mining is rigged and liquidity rewards are gone too.
Oh wow... I mean, I am one of those who bought into his accusation, but noticing the way they were trying to get people who clearly wanted to remain anonymous to go on this witch-hunt ID yourself pressure was ridiculous.
I am also a person who wants to remain anonymous even though I am active here all the time and will try to attend SteemFest, considering this is an investment platform as well, many more users should consider their anonymity for the future, in my opinion.
I just wanted to apologize that I doubted your motives for a brief time, (unapproved your witness account last night, re-approved it after further reading into these posts) and hope you don't see this comment as a try to "kiss it up to a whale" as the actions that have been taken lately are something I completely disagree of, which can be proven by the comment I wrote here.
in conclusion, thanks for your work to get more content creators to the platform, and even better to know they are real people that you know and the content is original and legit. That is important for the platform and also something I have been doing lately as much as I can, even though all the hate from other platforms in the way, users will in the end realize the power of Steemit.
Thank you for the post. It does show another perspective. Perspectives are important. From what you posted here it does look like you were trying to help out. So in the spirit of that I'd like to share some thoughts with you about what I have seen happening, and what may be happening to you. I'd then like to offer you something to consider. It is your call as well.
You indicated you are helping out friends and getting them to write on steemit. These posts get $1000+ posts for every post. These posts subjectively (it is an opinion) are not worth close to that when being compared to people that have been cutting their teeth here at steemit. There are posts that are not even making $10 by people that are better and more refined. It comes with practice. If you want to give them a big HELL YEAH this is real moment then perhaps one such post is a hell of a good HELL YEAH. I've been here about 2 1/2 months and had a post go over $300 I think twice. That does not mean I am worthy of high paying posts. That is again subjective. I am not stating this so I start getting paid more. I will say though it currently says I've posted 2471 times in that time period. In other words I too am busting my ass. You may not know me, so I may not be considered your "friend" yet is that truly what this platform should be. A club for our friends? Or should it be a place where we all value good content, we learn value, and we vote consistently?
Had your friends been receiving votes commiserate with their work when compared to similar styles on steemit it is very likely they would have been never looked at with a fine tooth comb.
Many of those posts I laughed at because I have a friend who is a chef and a phenomenal photographer as well as a good writer and videographer. I saw those posts and thought... man Alana should come here she will make bank and do really well. However, that is not true. She would make bank IF she were one of your friends or a friend of the other whales voting up these accounts. My friend would have to start in the trenches like everyone else and hopefully get noticed and be frustrated by $0 posts and posts less than $1 that she put hours into making.
She might go see one of these friends of yours post and see $1000 for something she could have done in 15 minutes (not exaggerating) and say WTF and walk away from steemit, and tell other people not to come here because it is a joke. The exception to this seems to be when someone new comes here that already has a large following. They get a lot of up votes and payment and if steemit is lucky their followers come here as well.
Now my proposal to you
If you want to turn this around keep encouraging your friends to come here. Yet take some time to look at what posts like they are making get when they are established. Give them a vote like that. Yet don't do it for every damn post they write. Make them earn their followers like the rest of us. This protects the platform. Favoritism does not. I like to help out my friends too and I see this as a human thing. I doubt you fully considered the implications of up voting your friends all the way.
So with that... I will vote for you on my two accounts @dwinblood and @chaospoet as I did before. I do not expect votes in return. If you see something I wrote that you like, vote what you think it is worth. I am giving you my votes back as a sign of trust.
I am trusting that this is something you can help stop from happening in the future.
I will give you that trust. I hope I have been helpful. I will remove my votes if this technique we are calling "socket puppetry" continues. It is unfair and is not indicative of the way this platform should work. Yes, the code allows it, it is legal from that perspective. I am not challenging that. It is however damaging to the perception of the platform itself. I do not endorse hurting the platform so a friend can get paid high amounts for average posts. (some were good, many were not = again I know this is subjective). My answer to this was to stop looking at the trending page.
As far as @bacchist. He is definitely not @ned. They have very different philosophical differences. @bacchist is a staunch Anarcho-Communist. That doesn't meld to well with the Austrian Economics and Anarcho-Capitalist of @ned and @dantheman. It is a testament to how wonderful steemit is that we all respect each other and get along. Normally someone like me and @bacchist would be like match to gasoline. Yet I get along with him really well here and respect him quite a bit.
IF what you said is genuine I can see you are trying to help the platform. That is what @ats-david, @bacchist, and @klye have been trying to do with these investigations as well. Peace, and good luck. I'll be watching to see how it goes.
@dwinblood Steemit is just starting as a social platform. I noticed there were good food authors out there, and in a time when there are collective efforts to recognize authors on steemit I thought about it and came out with the the Steemitrecipes Daily Picks idea.
It's a brand new effort and already got some positive responses from @knozaki2015 and @silversteem and I am grateful to them. Tomorrow will be just the third edition. Any power-up help of @steemitrecipes o resteem would help this kind of effort to grow (I think in terms of long term, years from now).
So if your friend posts good food related content I don't see how he wouldn't be eventually noticed on a Daily Pick. This is how I think a free market works. It is ok, there are whales with a lot of SP, but that doesn't mean you can't do anything to help the social network to grow.
I want to create some more camaraderie amongst food authors (in a very competitive field that sometimes lack a bit of it).
I can't promise any significant reward on SBD for your chef friend at this stage, but I can promise I will do my best to help food authors on steemit. So if anyone wants to hand some support, it is always welcomed.
Thanks!
Really she writes on facebook quite a bit. I don't think she would be worried about not getting rewarded until she saw one of those posts that are not so good consistently getting $1000+. Then she'd likely get a little angry. It isn't so much people coming here and expecting to get rich. It is people coming here and seeing people consistently getting high pay for average posts.
I think us all being aware about it and talking about it is a step in the right direction.
I will try to convince her to join. She is quite gifted and would do well here. She is pretty set in her ways though so convincing her to come is the challenge. She also keeps herself very busy.
She is a great cook, photographer, videographer, and writer. Seems like the makings for someone that could do well here.
Thanks for your response... it is appreciated.
@dwinblood she shouldn't be angry. Let's try a different approach. Steemit is not even a year old. We can think about ourselfs as "kids" in the steemit society. There are "rich parents" and "poor parents". Maybe a kid wants a brand new toy, he is good, but his parent can't afford it. The other kid gets a toy and maybe it's not as good. But his dad has a right to prefer him, because, afterall, it is his kid. See? That's life.
I'm not related to any "whale" on steemit, but that doesn't mean I can't do nothing. Actually what I do on steemit it's because I like. It's human action, sometimes you get an "instareward" and sometimes you need to build your place with time.
As I said before, the food space is quite competitive, but it is also important to promote camaraderie amongst food lovers, so at this stage maybe don't promote steemit as a place where you get an instareward but maybe where you can interact with other people in your field.
Yes, that is why I said community is how we'll have to solve some of these issues. I was not disagreeing with you. I sent a message to her husband who is also a friend. We'll see if we can get one or both of them. Both are creative types.
That sounds good, it will help grow the steemit social network and the food network in particular!
"@dwinblood she shouldn't be angry."
In the hypothetical scenario described, angry is completely understandable and should be expected. Nepotism masquerading as a meritocracy will naturally cause envy and anger.
Your parent analogy doesn't work. You don't seem to be taking into account that other peoples payouts are diminished by these actions.
If you want to use a parent analogy it would have to be along the lines of a team coach that always gives their child far more time on the field than the other child. If your kid wasn't getting any time on the field despite being an amazing player because the coach keeps putting their less than stellar child in you are going to be mad.
I don't think telling people that their very natural emotions are invalid is the right way to approach this problem.
My 0.05 SBD:
Kushed "forgot" to mention that he bought a ton of steem some four months ago with his own money, when it was worth already more then it is now.
And guess what he did after? He was giving away over US$20 worth of steem per person (as well as a decent amount of his own Salus coin) to dozens of people to start steeming just because he is a nice guy! (now look at my first test post and see who voted on it)
I'm in crypto since 2013, have over a hundred of wallets and been into all scams you've ever heard of, so when I first time heard of Kushed's Salus coin ICO I thought it just sounds too good to be true (thanks to Ozmaster who convinced me that it's a real deal).
I also wanted to add here that I know for sure how much time it takes to write a good post and knowing how much busy Kushed is with his numerous projects, I have no doubt that there are just some people (different people if you analyze the styles of writing) he proposed his friendly help, just like he did it for me and many others before. Knowing Kushed I also may assume that he is might be helping some people with technical stuff, like formatting and such, just because he is nice guy (not all here are techies, right?).
Now, let's apply even more logic to the whole situation.
I've been PMed in steemit.chat by many people proposing to post their texts in my own blog (in fact I strongly believe many top steemers here are doing like this--just look at trending page and think harder) and share some portion of the money with them. Wouldn't it be much more easier (and way more profitable) for Kushed with his reputation to post in his name and get money for himself like some witch hunters (or witches?) here are doing, huh? Easy money, no hassle, why not? Just because it's not him, think of it!
Personally I think that Kushed is unique person, I would say he is truly the kindest heart in all of crypto (well, after Ozmaster :D)
So, better repent, every one of you on steemit, and say 'I'm sorry, Kushed, I was an asshole!'
That's all I wanted to say. Cheers!
thank you for your post. It is always good to hear both sides.
Hopefully many people will read and don't judge just hearing one side of the story...
If this is a social media site, I don't see any reason for a KYC Process. twitter, facebook do not require this, nor should steemit.com
Damn, @kushed. I'm glad you stated your piece. If more people spent their time improving their craft and less time pointing fingers, steemit would be a much better place for everyone.
Take this as you will (I suspect it will be with a flag), but the way you and Steemd handled the entirely legitimate criticism about content quality in the thread about poker (and not just from me, from many others) is what convinced me that something untoward was going on. I was on chat speaking out against harassment and verification nazis for weeks before it even became an issue with msgivings.
I really really wish the many critics of these accounts would make the debate about post quality (and i think theres a legitimate debate to be had there, though you obviously don't want to hear that one either.) and not some made up requirement for identification.
The whole issue, IMO, goes back to certain then successful authors deciding that flagging overvalued posts and or talking about content value vs reward was somehow tantamount to abuse.
I don't have any problem with something like that. But, having acted deceptively (and she was most certainly acting deceptively even if her motives were benign) its not really fair to expect people to give you the benefit of the doubt when your deception is .
The way people reacted upon discovering one person pretending to be 2 and astroturfing a post is, or should have been, entirely forseeable.
This comes not only from successful authors. It runs deeper. I agree with you it is wrong and ultimately harmful. Part of this is a learning process for the platform and the user community. Nothing like this has existed before and important conclusions about it are reached by different people at different times (if at all).
BTW, I upvoted your critical comments on those poker posts, because I felt your comments were legitimate and deserving of visibilty, but even there, that is how the system is supposed to work. Supporters of those poker posts voted as they saw fit, as did you and I.
These differences of opinion don't need to turn into feuds, nor should they.
as always before reaching conclusions best to hear both sides of the story, as this post shows. thanks for the info.
I do not agree however with your statement that others are engaged in "harassment and abuse". legitimate questions were asked as some activity looked questionable. and I believe you answered most.
my belief is that a few whales are still gaming the system but because of the higher scrutiny it is much less than it was. that scrutiny should not be silenced or censored (it has been useful for the most part) but users must not accuse and slander people so lightly.
It seems a lot of people have handled this situation poorly, on both sides. Myself included, small as my part was. @honeyscribes recent post is quite mature, and acknowledges her own responsibility. Duplicity on this platform is going to result in trouble even if the intentions were good. You don't seem to acknowledge your own part in this though, and lay the blame entirely on other people. @bacchist and @ats-david had legitimate concerns and were highlighting duplicitous behaviour, even if they got the motivations and intent wrong, but you don't seem to acknowledge their side of this either.
There's a lot of bad blood as a result of this incident. It would be best to bury the hatchet. As a community we need to learn how best to approach perceived abuse, learn the boundaries of pseudonymity etc, and move on from damaging incidents like this without escalating them to further conflict.
I disagree to some extent.
I agree enough to upvote.
Agree 10000%. And the new meme competition. And curie posts. And payout leaderboard posts.
This accrues a lot, and its the very same taboo against talking about overvalued posts and responsible stewardship of the reward fund that enables it.
Curie posts are used to re-buy steem and power the Curie account, unless you are talking about the rewards that are going to authors due to their posts.
No, I'm talking about the posts themselves. And yes, I understand the money goes for a good cause. The thing is, regardless of how noble the casue is, its still money coming out of the author reward pool (and a significant amount of money at that, it was like 10K in the week when i added it all up a few days ago), thats pretty much a permanent debit (and that seems to be growing).
So yeah, its "just" 10K for curie. The problem is that there are more and more things that are daily type posts and they all take away from the amount of money available to [people actually writing. to paraphrase The Gipper, my hero, "10K here 10K there and pretty soon youre talking about serious money"
On the contrary, you can look at the @curie account's history, which is quite transparent. Curie is paying money out to members of this community who find and review good quality posts that are worthy of rewards. Not every Steemit post is a thoughtfully written piece. Some are announcements by programmers that they are working on something new that makes this system better, and for that the community decides to reward them, even if they are not good writers.
If the community decides to reward people who find good posts for curation, then they can keep voting for the Curie posts. We are aware that the Curie posts are more frequent than some people would like and we will look at spacing them out as the project finds its footing on solid ground economically. Until then, without these posts, we would not be able to afford to incentivize the community's good work.
You present your opposition to these posts as a false dilemma. The money is not exiting the system, nor is it being taken away from the community. It is going to people who are helping make Steemit better by their actions, whether they are writers or community curators.
I think you slightly misunderstand my friend @sigmajin, or if not, then I will simply present my view.
It is not that the @curie posts are inherently inappropriate in some way, nor the @dantheman posts, nor @kushed's friends' posts. It is that every complaint about "unfair" or "undeserved" or "excessive" payouts can be matched by others, with all competing over who can shout the loudest, or with the more persuasive hit piece. Where does this leave us? With a platform full of competing accusations that repels newcomers and ultimately serves the interests of no one except those who enjoy trolling and counter-trolling. The internet is full of such people and we're no exception. They exist here too and will destroy any shot at popular appeal this platform might have. Which will repel Aunt Milly more? That @honeyscribe is paid more than what you think she deserves due to so-called unfair whale voting or that every day the platform is full of negative posts where users make accusations against other?
We all have votes. We should use those votes as we see fit, to allocate the finite reward funds according to voting-derived consensus. If you don't like how the funds are being allocated, then vote to allocate them differently. If you don't have enough vote power to make the difference you want to see, then you can buy more or earn more.
Disagreements can be resolved by voting, where the system (code) reaches a consensus by counting SP voted up and down, compares across posts, and settles the matter via an impartial and objective algorithm. They can also be debated endlessly and with varying degrees of shrillness and hostility that ultimately comes down to claims by everyone concerned that their own opinions on what is more deserving or how people should vote is more valid than that of others'. We need more of the former and less of the latter.
Fine words and eloquently put.
If your post is mentioned in a Curie daily list, you don't get any money from them. Just recognition and visibility. That payout column is what each post has made through upvotes. I was confused about that too and spoke to them to clarify. I think Curie is a good thing.
Man kushed! you don't need to say a word to the witch hunters! Still they wont be satisfied. it it is true that @dan and @ned are behind it... what has this platform become. @lifeisawesome and @honeyscribe are my go to reads every day! Thanks for bringing them both!
Keep voting on those comments.! make the comments come to life! like always. I also voted for you as witness you and @nextgencrypto should be within the top 5 also thanks again both of you for @curie !
As a new user who came here to invest in this platform, The last thing I want to do is get in the middle of a whale war. Yet, I feel it is import to talk about the impact on the end users.
The connection between the posting and voting on the two accounts: @lifeisawesome and @honeyscribe is very compelling and goes well beyond being mentioned after @msgivings and screenshots. Regardless of whether they are yours directly or belong to friends of yours is irrelevant. To be clear this isn’t the only case of this and nearly all the whales seem to have a circle they vote in and the bots that follow.
As others have said there are no rules, laws or policing issues that can/should stop this.
The message to the new user coming in is that a handful of accounts own, control and vote for a handful of accounts, when they got called out on that new accounts suddenly emerged and began seeing atypical results from other new content creators. When those accounts were looked at, there was at least some connection between the accounts. It is easy to see the voting patterns, if you watch the "New" article feed, you can watch certain accounts receive 40+ votes in literally minutes, and at the half hour mark the rest of the votes start piling on.
The only problem is getting new users to want to use the site, invest or stay while we watch whales exchanging whale money. If it continues to look as shady as is currently does there will be no new money to add to the whale money and we might as well play monopoly.
Because I am interested in the success of Steem and SteemIt, I am thankful the information is available in the Block Chain and can be transparent. Yes, you can build you site how you like, use it as you like and vote as you like, but don’t think for a moment that it isn’t having an impact on the future of the site. I am not calling out @Kushed anymore or less than anyone else. Also, the whale threats… I have my crosshairs on you, and downvoting topics they don’t want to see discussed is not lending credibility to the site. There is nothing but how the site and the currency are viewed at stake. Call me a troll or witch hunter, whatever you like, I make my post with the best interest of Steem on my mind.
That message is absolutely accurate. Until the stake is better distributed where a handful of people don't control 95% of the voting power, it is better to not try to mislead people about that reality, nor to deny that SP holders have a right to use (and will use) their votes in ways that you or others may not agree with.
In effect, those engaging in these 'which hunts' are trying to be underdog heroes fighting against a 95% voting majority, and since they have no real voting power, the only available weapon is sensationalism and attacking people personally. It could be viewed as admirable. Nevertheless, while they may succeed in throwing up a lot of dirt and obscuring the picture, they ultimately will not succeed in changing anything meaningful about the actual control. For better or worse, that's what we have now.
Over time, the stake and votes are being more widely distributed. Of course, part of this is happening via whales diversifying our holdings, but efforts to bring in new users will help greatly because 40% of the entire supply is allocated to be given to new users (that is multiples more than all the whales put together). The only constructive solutions to this issue require patience and effective, yet positive, persuasion, not "rage against the machine".
Thank you for taking the time to read my comment and respond. I see you constantly talking to the users, responding to the difficult posts with your direct style. I appreciate that. At first, I didn't understand your communication style, but I have learned some things - especially about the decentralized nature of SteemIt from reading your comments.
I realize we will disagree on this part, but I say it with respect. I don't see what was done as a personal attack or a witch hunt, but rather an investigation. All young organizations have things to work on. Acknowledging the issues and working through them adds to trust. What happened in a variety of posts on this topic, is a lack of trust was exposed, discussed, and it turns out some of the assumptions were only partially true. By allowing the conversation to take place an issue was at least partially resolved. What I learned is there are checks and balances on all of us. It made me feel better about the platform. I am sorry some people felt attacked. Some brought it on themselves by acting as if they are above being questioned. I am ready to move on. Anything I said, I said it with the best interest of Steem as a motive.
I appreciate and respect your reply. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. They inform my understanding of how different people view the system.
I agree. Your responses on these topics always bring out another more realistic part to the discussion. I would like to see a "state of steemit" post from you...... It has helped me level off at different points I have caught myself joining the hunt
What steemit needs more of is clearheadness and the solution to this communications problem. Thing is the current situation on Steemit mirrors the situation in real world, but with efforts from you, as well as this post by @kushed that is different from how things are done there.
And that is exactly what makes a lot of people excited about Steemit.
The problem is that there is a lot of inertia in how people think and act. That is not anyones fault, that is just how humans are built. And this new experimental model means that how people think and act need changes. And the current situation with those investigations and similar concerns would keep on happening.
Here in Steemit world right niw the whales and the witnesses are like big corporations. And just like in real world there is some resentment about that fact. That is the reason why there are PR people emplyed by corps. To monitor the pulse of the public opinion, and provide relevant information in the timely fashion.
Perhaps just as there is a call to Steemit Inc to consider improving their team with PR & community engagement specialists, whales and witnesses might consider doing something similar. This would alleviate crisises like this one, as well as offer another avenue to decentralise Voting Power (via more people earning rewards in creative ways), if some of the flow would go into SP.
One other thing that bugs me is this one:
I've been bringing people over to Steemit, but right now it is somewhat unclear how to advertise it. On the first days after joining, which was in the middle of the great summer hype, I was very excited. But now that I understand the system better, I am not sure how to go about it (still, some people are joining or trying to join on my recommendation).
I would appreciate, and I am sure that other people might do the same, if you would voice your poinion in the matter. Perhaps in a post. Maybe you did already, and it just slipped my attention, but if that is the case I would be glad if you pointed that out.
Anyhow, I am one of many people who really value your style and contribution to the discussions about all things Steemit related, like this one. Thank you. :-D
Hey @kushed, I voted for you as witness, now make with the follow and up votes! hahaha But seriously, this thing is getting crazy, I really hope it doesn't end up pushing people away from the platform.
also, lol :D
I just want to state that I did not make any judgements, I just wanted to encourage investigation and transparency into potential abuse.
Please check your message mr dan.
I am still waiting for a reply.
This is good information. I appreciate your candor.
What a coincidence that your latest "Random" post doesn't seem so random considering the amount of photos of yourself vs the amount of them in previous posts, considering how ID verification seems a popular subject lately..
Kushed, I'm illuminaughti on steemit.chat, I'm sorry for any inconvenience and dishonour my actions have brought to your name. Thank you for all you've done for steemit. I appreciate you bringing honey onboard to elevate the voice of women!
@kushed I would like to add my apology here too. I was part of that "inquisition" at some point. I am sorry for causing you so much trouble. I also very much appreciate all the work you have done for Steemit.
This is very self critical and humble of you to admit it
Jesus, I brought two friends here and this is the exact reason why I don't promote them.
They're your votes. Use them as you see fit.
Oh, i upvote them Smooth. they write really good :)
They write well.
If I could, I would upvote all my friends hundreds times and promote in every possible way ;D
I'm also checking my feed several times a day and upvote all my followers (mostly) as an act of appreciation.
And I strongly believe that's the way how it shall be.
Have I told you also that you are very beautiful? ;D
:) Thank you.
The issues with my friend's account is that they want to keep anonymity and under this circumstances, i feel like trouble will follow me (it's your alt account blah blah). But I definitely upvote them because i like how they write.
We also can retweet, pardon, resteem ;D
I think the main fear that was exploited by their accusations was that the "early adopters" / whales were basically using their acquired Steem Power to game the system and funnel more money to themselves by upvoting fake accounts that they also owned. The whole time I was reading it, I was thinking their facts definitely made the case for suspicious behavior. Despite that though, everything that they described (creating multiple accounts, upvoting your own content, etc.) is all technically allowed.
I have one big issue with your post, which is that you are essentially doing one of the same things they did and making blind accusations towards Dan and Ned. I upvoted some of those posts too (mainly for putting in a lot of effort and interesting topic) - does that mean I was behind it too?
I really enjoyed the rebuttal that you wrote, the defense of your actions, and the list of stuff you have done to improve Steem/it. The unfounded speculative accusations though, not so much.
I believe @kushed's accusations of @bacchist being @ned's sock puppet to be an example (via sarcasm) of what you can do with evidence that is publicly available and by making assumptions.
Ah, ok. Got it. Sometimes sarcasm goes right over my head, lol. Especially when it is plain text :)
Hi kushed,
I'm sorry for the inconvenience, and I voted for your witness again.
Buy the way, check out my steemit-exclusive PermaCryptoFolio-experiment and the current weekly report ...
https://steemit.com/permacryptofolio/@twinner/permacryptofolio-weekly-status-report-2016-39
Best Regards,
twinner
And Guess what I have voted for you not because I want you to vote on my posts. Its your choice all the way. I have been there on abuse channel all the way during your chats but I never responded, I am glad you have spoken out. My vote for you as witness is because of the work that you have done for this platform is exceptionally well you have been always curating good content and be the active part of the platform just like @nextgencrypto. Thank you so much for this post I hope ned sees the other side of the story too.
Am I off base by saying this article I link, might have some merit? Article Here
Now, I am not saying I agree with the article, but my eyebrow was half raised with what I read. This post here makes my other eyebrow raise alongside the other.
Transparency is what can make Steemit prosper. Great post! Thank you and follow you.
@kushed, I didn't know about any of the abuse on here until I read this post. I have been too busy just trying to grow as a blogger. It's a shame that you have to watch your back on the steemit platform. I'm going to read this again because it's a lot to absorb.
Up until now, I was hearing only one side of the story, but now that I have read the another side, my eyes have been opened wide and my jaws dropped.
I just want to see this place grow into this magnificent thing it is meant to be. And I hope the entire community gets its act together and start working for the common cause.
I had never approved you nor disapproved you as a witness but after reading this, I am convinced that I should vote for you as a witness (not for the promise of upvote, but for the list of all the things you've done from the beginning.)
Thank you for posting this. I did a video earlier today touching on some of the "witch hunting" I've been seeing lately, and I'm glad I put "(?)" next to the sock puppet claims when linking to the posts in question. We are all challenged to defend what we value while allowing ourselves to disagree and keep this place interesting and fun. I hope we all grow and learn through the process. Thank you for your contributions to the network we all benefit from.
nice one
I haven't thoroughly read all of this since I'm currently at work crafting a couple quotes but based on my crypto world exposure to @Kushed I'll put my best foot forward and say In @Kushed I trust. Will read this without distraction later this evening.
Kushed, be sure to wash your sock puppets after every use ;-).
Well I feel bad for only looking at one side of the story. Hats off to you, thanks for providing the other side.
As for helping out your friends, I do exactly the same thing, I just have far less SP and I'm far less in the limelight.... but I mean... everyone helps out their friends... it would be weird not to.
I think my mind was shifted with the post yesterday because of the way it was handled and downvoted rather than with an explanation - which you've provided here, so thanks :)
Hi, new to steem and still trying to navigate myself through, but I do know that there was no contractual agreement to terms regarding the usage of multiple accounts. Reading further, I do understand the concepts of whales and their influence, but I also do value the idea of anonymity. I was also under the impression that steem would also value the idea of privacy as well, taking preventive measures like our randomly generated passwords. But reading about all this conflict and kushed linking it to Ned is disturbing...
Btw, I also did vote for kushed as a witness, however the witness page only comes up with error. Interesting.
This statement above is enough for me! Had not approved (or un-approved you) as a witness but shall do so now. This thing is going out of hand and I hope this post clears the air for the masses who heard one part of it only. Thanks for the view from the "other" side!
Thanks for taking the time for a rebuttal. It'll be interesting to see how things go from here.
Great infographic!
How do you vote for witness? It is good that there are diverse viewpoints among whales and teams.
I think so much of this issue is Reactionary.
I'm just finishing up a post soon which I spent a lot of time on and I know will be a fun and compelling read.
And I have some unique insights into the msgivings and entire payment controversy in general that requires a blog. I hope to counter some of the reactionary nature of this. It's not good. It's mobbing.
On the right hand side of the screen is the hamburger menu right next to you portrait shadow thingy.
Click on it and the black menu bar pops open. Look in there for "Witnesses" and then click. It will take you to a screen with the top 50 witnesses. Down at the bottom is a search tool, put in kushed and hit submit.
Thanks! Done
Hi @kushed I also had never voted nor unvoted you for witness. I think you may have stopped posting right around when I showed up in July. But I witnessed the exchange in steemit.chat that day and felt the intensity of the whole thing. I don't get involved in this sort of thing usually, but after reading this post (thanks by the way, you could've just kept on trucking because you're right, it's nobody's business unless you're hurting the platform) I feel a little embarrassed I didn't know all the things you've done for the platform.
I'm still not sure about any of this witch stuff because I try to focus on connecting to community and producing content, but your post is indignant and frankly, worth my trust. No one who has been trying to hurt Steemit would write a post like this.
Please accept my vote for you for witness. And I saw how you handled yourself in the actual conversation while it was happening, and it was actually extremely professional when it didn't have to be. Be well.
Both scenarios have issues.
Personally I don't think ID verifications should be enforced in an anarchic / distributed platform because it centralizes control. It could be an option though that determines whether Steemit Inc gives out a bonus out of their earlymined coins. Their coins, their criteria.
I was one that was swayed by bacchist and ats-david. To me the downvotes gave it credibility. I wanted to see the counter argument, but I never did til just now. I am going to vote for you as a witness now
i've been fooled at least a couple times, you seem genuinely real enough to me. i don't want you to think this directed at you but i still feel that i am tiptoeing around here on egg shells because of a few overpowered whales who have elevated illogic to a mania and have turned this into their very own little playground of retribution. then they post this madness and armies of sycophants lap up this drivel and upvote it into the stratosphere. then if you make the mildest of comments pointing out a legitimate logical fallacy you are crushed into oblivion. negativity is not my stock in trade, i do begin to wonder, though, if my efforts might be less oppressed or tossed aside elsewhere. i've made the most from the things i've done that are the least meaningful to me and things that i see the most value in are not even seen by any except my core followers and friends. there are decent people here but sometimes i wonder how many. what is of value to these whales? i see 10 whole posts of any actual value in 30 day trending right now and they are not near the top moneyed. sorry about the rant. i'm just thinking my time here is almost done. it's frustrating. i have friends here but i thought it would be a more beneficial experience. i don't think i've made much of a difference, not for lack of trying. maybe i'll post this and see if someone crushes my reputation.
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