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RE: Hive Secondary Airdrop: Proposal for @sasaadrian

in #airdrop-proposal5 years ago

I think there's a good chance some of those stakeholders who voted equally for both parties, were doing so as an attempt to get both sides to negotiate like adults and stop doing stupid things.

Anyone doing so was intentionally excluded and will stay that way. They were voting for and enabling an attack. Ignorance is not an excuse. Thanks to these ignorant people, I personally lost 31,249 of my own STEEM on Wednesday, and I that's a small sum compared to a few others who lost millions.

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I'm sorry to hear you lost Steem. I can't help but wonder if that's what Sun felt like when he got soft forked out of his investment. It might be what caused him to go nuts and co-opt the exchanges just so that he could rescue the untold millions he invested. There was a triggering event that initiated this entire cascading event (or blockchain war). I know the witnesses had good intentions when they froze his assets. After all, he was telegraphing an uncertain future for the blockchain. The big question is, do good intentions justify the event that triggered the war? At some point, don't we need to hardcode property rights into the chain?

If both sides keep escalating, won't things just get worse? Sun has fuck-you-money, for a lifetime, and right now he's just mirroring every single thing that community witnesses have done to him and others. I don't see this ending until one side stops escalating it. He's doing the same thing that HIVE folk are doing. Both sides need to calm down, communicate, and deescalate, or even deescalate without communication. But if you want a black eye, black his eye, wanna get kicked in the junk, kick him in the junk. Wanna get sued, sue him.

This is so stupid, the reputation of both chains are getting destroyed in the media right now. On a technical level, HIVE is no different than Steem. They both have a dPoS decentralization problem that is seemingly unsolvable. Meanwhile, this poor guy, he's putting out real content on YouTube and linking the HIVE link in the section below. He seems like a creative dude to me, probably not interested in the politics. But yeah, lets just all be mean to each other until the word gets out that you'd have to be out of your mind to invest in either chain. Fuck it, burn it all down. I'll make smores over the charred rubble that was once Steem and HIVE.

I can't help but wonder if that's what Sun felt like when he got soft forked out of his investment.

I stopped reading there. Inform yourself, then comment please.

I think if you kept reading, you'd realize that I am informed on the topic, however, I am not a mind reader, and I don't know what you find that's uninformed about the above statement. I was referencing soft fork 0.22.2, which froze Justin's assets. At that point, his stake was in limbo. Had he not conducted the "hostile takeover," there was a very real threat that the community could have hard forked him our of his investment. It was rumors of that very idea that chased Ned's stake away and into the hands of the exchanges. So, it's no wonder why he sold it under the table. These chains have to be coded to respect property rights, or nothing means anything at all. Else it's just a big game of who can steal what from who, or limit the abilities of the other.

Justin Sun only proved the community witnesses right that he was going to take over Steem eventually anyway. He had just done the same thing to his own Tron network. He has the typical insecure personality of a tyrant and removes anyone who isn't a thrall to him. https://peakd.com/steem/@pfunk/the-case-for-the-temporary-soft-fork

My point of view is a witness who has followed this story since its beginning, the 2016 beginning, until now.

Ned's a greedy idiot of his own kind, by the way. He skimmed enough off the Stinc balance sheet that selling Stinc for pennies on the dollar wasn't really necessary. Greedy idiot though. Selling it to the worst buyer he could find at the worst price he could find with a stupid contingent deal attached to it proves that alone, but there was plenty more evidence.

Yeah, I wouldn't vouch for either of them. It just torques me that real people have bought into a system of property that was a mirage. Just venting, I know there's a myriad of ways to view how this thing played out, but so many little guys are getting murdalated in the process. It's just sad is all. You might want to consider what this platform would be like if it was only full of witnesses and blockchain fanatics who specialize in the geeky intricacies. Sure, you'd have a group of people who know that the sky isn't really blue, that it only appears that way because of some hootie hoo blockchain voodoo. But in the process of that, you'll lose out on anyone and everyone else that cares to express themselves in a decentralized way. This is why I think that in the long run, it's worth retaining every single individual that we can, especially those like this guy who clearly got caught up in the mix because he had the intention of helping the blockchain with his little vote.