Ok, this is a little tripped out of a reading.. I really do need to research this huge ass anarchist movement which is very heavy on steem.
I value my possession but it seems that your saying... we shouldn't possess or take pride in our possessions? If someone is trying to take away what something I value... what am I to do?
I agree with the general sentiment here, and my assumption is that he is talking about private property as opposed to personal. Yeah private property sucks, there is a lot of it claimed by people in excess, but ill be damned if I let anyone take something off my person while they claim i have no right to own something.
Possessions are not really the issue... Really, petty theft is a personal issue. It is a societal issue when the means of production are privately owned.
Your post wasn't about "the means of production," though you tried to lump that in there at the end. I own myself, I own myself in the past, and in the future. The things I create with my own effort and stores of value belong to me. How I choose to defend them (or my neighbor, or myself, or anything, for that matter) is up to the court of opinion of the community I live in. If my neighbors are having an argument and I bust in and punch the person yelling the loudest in an effort to "defend" the other person, I'll still have to answer for my actions, especially if the community values the non-aggression principle. Same thing goes for how I defend myself in the past (i.e., the result of my labor, my property).
I think a key concept you're missing is that ancaps see "violence" as the initiation of force. If someone comes into my home and tries to steal from me, they have initiated force against me. It's up to me to respond with appropriate force in a manner which is acceptable within my community. If I use an amount of force which is not appropriate to the force initiated against me, the community will respond accordingly. I don't have to invent various types of property (personal or private) for this all to make sense.
The means of production is a separate concept, in my understanding. If workers want to get together and own a factory, awesome! More power to them! What happens more often than not, once someone attempts to run their own business, they realize how damn hard it is and what the real value of risk is. Then "labor," with it's predictable paycheck, starts to sound really nice. I've worked for others, and I've also built my own business from nothing for the last 9 years. I know what's involved and I know my "workers" as you'd call them ("team members" as I and they see themselves) prefer not owning the company directly because they don't want the risk my business partner and I take on.
I'm working on a blog post titled "Muh risk!"
I think you will like it. :)
NICE! Looking forward to it. :)
same here, looking forward to it as well
I agree... thank you for going into detail and expressing how I feel.. I had no idea how to respond lol
Are you suggesting I am arguing with him cuz i wasn't. I wanted to know the solution to a problem I seen.
@bacchist is a smart dude and I know I have a lot to learn from him when it comes to the terrible things going on throughout the world regard exploiting poor, working class people through coercive, non-natural monopolist practices (usually involving government).
That said, not everything is "muh means of production" and trying to argue against the clear increase in well-being economic freedom and voluntary exchange of property brings is an uphill, losing battle, IMO.
way too long in really ridiculous ideological debates on Facebook about this stuff and it's usually, unfortunately, an argument. That has warped my communication style on this topic a bit. I love how people here are, for the most part, just trying to learn. :)@mrwang: sorry, my tone is probably too combative in this discussion. I've spent
No worries... the knowledge is what I seek.. however I get it, we shall see. I also commented on a post of @derekareith and questioned him about the anarchist idea and movement. I see it has a huge following and now as an active contributor and filmmaker in this community... I am looking to expand, learn and share with others. My own contribution to this community is only valuable if I learn what majority is talking about.
https://steemit.com/anarchy/@christowner/the-non-exploitative-employer-employee-relationships
Time does it everyday, and we just take it. Lol but really, I'm not sure what he's proposing. Is it an ideology or do we just not really own anything I wonder