Nothing quiet so exotic as secret societies. In fact it was orchestrated in plain view on the radio. Rush Limbaugh suggested and promoted Operation Chaos
..... on his radio show, conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh suggested he may “reactivate” his 2008 “operation chaos,” in which he urged his listeners to participate in the Democratic Party’s presidential primary and vote for then-Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) against the eventual nominee, then-Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL), in order to prolong the Democratic Party’s primary contest.
That's pretty much what happened, in reverse
from 2000 to 2008 there was a change in Primary votes of 10-12 million. Ten million more Republicans and 12 million less Democrats.
where did the Democrats go? Did they stay home? Oddly enough they must have been listening to Rush Limbaugh because.
Trump only got about 3.3 million Republican Votes. The rest are Democrats, approximately 12 million of them.
The election was stolen. Trump would be in fourth, or worse, without Democrats
12 million Democrats crossed over to ensure that Trump would be elected. Then they crossed back over to vote for Hillary in the General. While they were gone Hillary stole the nomination from Bernie then Poor (remember he was poor) bought a $600,000 house on the lake shore. AFTER he endorsed Hillary, something that he'd swore he'd never do. Odd that.
"from 2000 to 2008 there was a change in Primary votes of 10-12 million. Ten million more Republicans and 12 million less Democrats.
where did the Democrats go? Did they stay home? "
I dunno. Since I've never met a person who can prove to me their vote even counted, I'm very skeptical of all these numbers you throw out.
"12 million Democrats crossed over to ensure that Trump would be elected. Then they crossed back over to vote for Hillary in the General. While they were gone Hillary stole the nomination from Bernie then Poor (remember he was poor) bought a $600,000 house on the lake shore. AFTER he endorsed Hillary, something that he'd swore he'd never do. Odd that."
I'm not sure you can prove all that, but I'm open to the possibility and I appreciate you sharing your point of view.
And the whole Bernie buying a 600k summer house on top of his other two properties that are worth around that much as well while claiming to be a voice of the people is pretty hilarious.. What's crazy is how many people still support him and believe in him.
"Nothing quiet so exotic as secret societies. "
Doesn't have to do with what's more exotic or less, it has to do with what makes sense to me in my opinion. I used to be much more skeptical of secret society stuff, now I'm not. Partly due to personal experiences and knowing people in secret societies. Partly to other reasons.
We can agree to disagree but since I've never met someone who could prove their vote counted, I'm not convinced any election wasn't rigged beforehand.
The collective intelligence of a group is inversely proportional to it's size. If a group is large..it's stupid. Committees have been accused of having 'all mouth and no brain.' How can something so stupid keep a secret?
ummm...if you're skeptical of the numbers you might read the article. The author of which explains, step by step, how he come up with them. You are welcome to do the math yourself. Let us know what you come up with.
"The collective intelligence of a group is inversely proportional to it's size. If a group is large..it's stupid. Committees have been accused of having 'all mouth and no brain.' How can something so stupid keep a secret?"
I don't necessarily think this is a fair statement.
But I mean.. I've never heard of anyone genuinely getting into Area 51 and speaking out about it have you? They fly in unmarked jets of workers in there every day, yet no one really knows what goes on inside there except for those inside there.
There's tons of examples in history of secrets being kept by big groups and many we'll prolly never learn about because they remained a secret.
Heck they keep classifying the JFK files all these years later.
Most secret or initiatic societies report members in the millions or less. Oftentimes it's in the thousands.. Yet, I don't really think size has much to do with it.. but rather how dedicated to the secrecy the members are.
Just what has been revealed by history over hundreds and thousands of years is fascinating enough, though that's only what has been revealed. Much we find out in the future if we are fortunate and much will never know. Because they did a good job keeping those secrets.
"ummm...if you're skeptical of the numbers you might read the article. The author of which explains, step by step, how he come up with them. You are welcome to do the math yourself. Let us know what you come up with."
What math is there to do really if we can't verify a single vote? You can say so and so voted and so many voted, but if you can't even verify a single vote.. What does any of that really mean?
This is one of my main problems with the whole voting system and why so many still support it without any kind of way of even knowing if their vote even mattered or was counted..
There's been a lot of voter and election fraud in history which has come out. So there's plenty of reasons to be skeptical, yet.. with out a single person ever being able to show me their vote even mattered.. That's even more reason to be skeptical. How can you verify much of anything if you can't verify one basic foundational elementary necessary part of the whole process?