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RE: “Defining Voluntaryism” - No, private property is not “optional” (addressing @lukestokes)

in #anarchy6 years ago (edited)

Seriously. Central planning? Larimer also suggested that we should give up privacy and become completely transparent as a means to fight the state. And...from the article you linked...a “libertarian” tax?

No wonder you supported Adam “fingerprint to homestead” Kokesh.

Kommie Kool-Aid city.

Time to drop the V and stick to the crypto spreadsheets, Luke.

Forced central planning is unethical and ALWAYS objectively results in greater violent conflict. This is why voluntaryists reject it.

EDIT: Now I am sure you will ignore my points and focus on the fact that my message this time was a bit personal. Well, after being browbeaten for months now by you falsely stating and implying that I focus mainly on people and not ideas when I raise arguments, and most recently victim shaming me in regard to the Kokesh threats (as though the whole thing was partially my fault) and in regard to several issues, I suppose I have decided to return the favor.

If you are worried about your rep as a voluntaryist, yes, you might find it advantageous to correct your misunderstandings. I don’t see how if you are correct now, this will negatively affect your reputation anyway. But, perhaps that is the thing of primary importance to you, how others view you?

The beauty of being consistent is you don’t have to worry about it so much. The truth always comes out. If I have said anything horrible or inaccurate about your positions, I would like to know. I will make good, apologize, and correct those things when you show me.

I want you to consider that perhaps certain responses may not have been so seemingly hyperbolic had you not climed that my protests against Jokesh were just “trolling” or because I was “seeking attention.”

You belittle people without even knowing it.

Now I’ve gotten personal, and it doesn’t change my logical argument at all. It stands alone, still.

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Thanks for giving your perspective. Did you read the follow up also? It seems many came to the same conclusion that his views were communistic in nature. Note, I didn't give my opinion on that post for or against it, I just asked for yours.

Edit: I replied before I saw your updated comment. I don't think I ever said you were just trolling. I've pointed out my perspective on your actions and why I saw them as I did, but you did not respond to those points. Different personalities and perspectives I guess. Have a good one.

I responded to those points, Luke.
I am actually glad you came here now and commented so much. For all the word salads in which you fail to take any position, actual voluntaryists can see the non-arguments for what they are.

Was I just seeking attention, Luke?

The Dunning-Kruger Effect is real, it would seem.

Trolling implies someone that is trying to hide and spreading false info. When did I do that to Adam? Cite something. Pathetic.

How do you personally define the meaning of words? Trolling to me does not imply that at all. My definition is closer to:

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Trolling

Trolling – (verb), as it relates to internet, is the deliberate act, (by a Troll – noun or adjective), of making random unsolicited and/or controversial comments on various internet forums with the intent to provoke an emotional knee jerk reaction from unsuspecting readers to engage in a fight or argument
Trolling on-line forums as described above is actually analogous to the fishing technique of “trolling”, where colorful baits and lures are pulled behind a slow moving boat, often with multiple fishing lines, covering a large bodies of water, such as a large lake or the ocean. The trolling lures attract unsuspecting fish, intriguing them with the way they move through the water, thus enticing these foolish fish to “take the bait”. Not unlike unsuspecting internet victims, once hooked, the fish are reeled in for the catch before they realize they have been duped by the Troll/Fisherman

My perspective related to your actions have to do with how you’ve treated me. If we can’t agree on the meanings of words then attempts at communication are pointless.

Then fucking stop talking to me, man. I don’t like you.

And my comments weren’t “random,” either. 🤦‍♂️

And I wasn’t looking for a “knee-jerk” reaction, but was trying to raise awareness.

What an asshole thing to say to me. That the Kokesh stuff was about “attention” and “trolling.”

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