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RE: Solutions to bringing about a stateless society part one of many: agorism

in #anarchy6 years ago

Can you give me any examples in any time history when there has been no authority structure to rule over and make decisions, and on the behalf of, other's?

If it hasn't happened in over 5 THOUSAND years of communities getting together, maybe it's because it's not a workable mode and just an ideological utopian fantasy...?

Just like communism- it doesn't take into account the one tiny part of the equation that's important - people and human psychology..

if it hasn't happened yet - through countless generations - have they all missed something so far?
....Or could it possibly be... just possibly... that it doesn't actually work

...sorry...

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It's not about the absence of authority and hierarchies. It's about the legitimacy of those, and the need for consent from the individual to be governed by others. Here are some examples of societies that came close to a stateless society and/or polycentric law:

  1. Medieval Iceland: https://mises.org/library/medieval-iceland-and-absence-government
  2. Early Ireland: https://mises.org/library/private-law-emerald-isle
  3. The old West USA: https://mises.org/system/tdf/3_1_2_0.pdf?file=1&type=document

...thank you, thank you, thank you.

These are perfect examples of the best of man.

I will try to do a post on this....I will do some research on the Irish one, the Icelandic one isn't as relevant.
(population numbers make a difference - even socialism works in small numbers! lol)

... what great systems.

..As a leading authority on Irish law has written, "There was no legislature, no bailiffs, no police, no public enforcement of justice.… There was no trace of State-administrated justice."

just....wow.

I won't get into history but one major point you should consider is the developments of technology and how it enables new modes of organization not previously possible. I recommend The Desktop Regulatory State: The Countervailing Power of Individuals and Networks by Kevin Carson if you're interested in pondering this topic further.

..I won't get into history

I can see why...
...that being the basis of knowing 'what actually is', and not an ideological wish list...but never let it be said that ideologues live in the real world!
lol.

It's not about new modes of organization, it's about pathological drives and human psychology - not technology.

...they were present before the wheel, and continue unabated to this day..

I believe the Teutons at the time of Rome lived in an anarchy. They were called Barbarians by the Romans. They were inferior to the Romans because there was no military in this sense. Those who fought did so of their own free will. However, the terrain and the forests have ruled out the conquest of Rome.

Die guten alten Germanen.

..do you ave any good links to recommend - to read more about them...? (english?)

My response to people who say we cannot live without codified statutes enforced by the state is this. “I speak English. English grammar isn’t regulated by statute but by the conventions we learned from respected books..... we obey the rules of English without rulers thus proving life is possible without codified laws.