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RE: The TRUTH About Open Borders Vs. Closed Borders! (With Adam Kokesh)

in #anarchy7 years ago

The moral argument would work as long as everyone involved understood the non-aggression principle.

Do you really think there is a good chance that that will ever happen? Look at this site for instance with so many people clamoring for such a idea and there's a lot of people on here with aggressive tendencies. It's just totally never going to be a feasible option.

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You get it. The utopia they are imagining can't exist without a touch of centralized control. Look at steemit to understand what the likely outcome is for close to full decentralization

It all sounds so peachy keen until you get into the fine details....lol.

When choosing a goal for yourself and future generations, do you choose more tyranny, or do you choose more freedom? At the very least you could choose a goal worth while even if it takes a thousand years to achieve. Be a slave, or be your own master, what is your goal?

A thousand years? It will not take that long - max 1 to 5 generations, and we will have reverted to the barbarity of a few thousands of years AGO. Your ideas did not work when the entire population of this planet was less than a million. As long as there are people, there will be a pecking order and the strong will dominate over the weak...and there will be nobody to protect the weak.

All you can ever aim for is an approach to utopia, but we must never try to achieve it, for that will bring about the end of mankind.

Sorry, but on this subject, my experience has taght me to think a bit more cynically, just like @davebrewer.

Wasn't the French Revolution an attempt at creating something similar to your dream? It did not work - and neither will yours. As a matter of fact, it is the people who have idyllic but entirely impractical dreams that they try to impose on others that causes half the problems we have. Why do you think most people are afraid to be seen to be even slightly different from their neighbours?

So, the goal is? Do nothing? Repeat all the same mistakes over and over?
No one but you thinks that it will be utopia, a free society will have plenty of struggle and chaos. Life itself creates challenges we all must face in an ever changing world. Maintaining the status quo creates more violence because humanity is constantly improving and evolving.
Show me a civilization that has survived/maintained totalitarian control forever. Empires always fall, usually for the same reason. Freedom! Thomas Jefferson knew there would be revolution every time power and control over reached its limits. Was he being cynical? Is America an impractical dream trying to be imposed on others?

We keep on going off half-cocked, coming up with new ideas, for instance, communism was one of them, so idealistic but also so destructive of the human spirit.

It is important that this time we think long and hard, facing the truth when we come up against flaws in our theories, evolving it until we are reasonably certain this plan is workable.

Any theory that cannot be debated, does not deserve to demand the right to be implemented.

The biggest flaw I see, is thinking there is a plan that is workable. In a free society the free market will decide the plan. No demand for implementation needed.

Sorry, I thought your argument was that we do not have a free society?

With me, it is a case of, if we do, then I'm happy with the status quo and only want our society to evolve cautiously, so that we do not lose what we have achieved.
If we are not, then I want a revolution, but I do not trust it will bring us the free society mankind keeps dreaming of, again and again.

The only good thing about revolutions is that i shakes things up and gets the blood flowing again in our veins - and if we do it right, we might also find a way to get rid of the ultimate masters...and that is not the government.