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RE: Sometimes you have to know when to apologize.

in #apologize5 years ago

I have a great deal of respect for you having done this, @arcange. This is where you and the people we all despise are different.

This is a blockchain, however, where ACTIONS have permanent consequences. 2,461 people, many of whom are just trying to survive, have been exposed to those who may be less reasonable than yourself on separating the needy from the greater struggle around what Justin Sun has done. That's a permanent problem for them. I would have been among them but for needing other resources -- and the further consequences would have been that Hive, for which you are a witness, would have had a professional journalist infuriated. I was editor to SEVEN newspapers once upon a time, and if you Google me, you'll see my reach is still LONG. Given that there are 2,461 people blacklisted, the risk still exists -- and because you were such a trusted leader, the damage to Hive is a real thing and reflects on Hive and the leadership. People who are doing a lot to build this chain are now preparing to leave. Mass adoption is going to be that much harder to achieve.

You have more power than you think, @arcange. What you do and say does have BIG consequences. You will always have the right to your personal opinions, and you're right: your opinion is not the problem. I respect the fact that you apologized. NOW, how do you fix the damage, beyond words?

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Well said. My curation account was on that list. I am very concerned about those who participate in my community and whom I curate their posts and comments. I have to wonder why my curation account is now to be perceived negatively. I read where @arcange insinuates the list is hard core user who are milking the hive platform. How in the heck does a curation account that is dedicated to help the smaller users become a Steem "hardcore" supporter who does not care about hive. I am not a hardcore supporter of either platform. I am a hardcore supporter of those in need , who are struggling to make ends met. I have been blessed to have the power to help others, and that is what I do on the two platforms. This is what I have done in a career that spans 50 years. So now I have to deal with this.

There are more out there who will go on this attack. I said before if you do not like steemit then stay away from it. If you had "money "stolen" by JS then that is who you should go after not innocent users.

It is such a large list that there is no way anyone looked at what all those users were posting. I do not believe you will find in my personal posts or in my curation reports any thing negative above hive or steemit for that matter.

Sorry I am venting under your comment. I just had more to say.

I have a feeling that a lot of people are going to have a lot more to say... since the list is public, 2,461 people (and whoever is being added) may have something to say, and not just to us. This becomes as much of the story of Hive as the misdeeds of Justin Sun. HOWEVER, the community standing up, and the apology given, does show Hive's overall strength as compared with Steem where no accountability is possible. We can come out of this stronger... but that list remaining available will remain a challenge.

Yes, it will be a big problem

From everything I read in the apology and comments I doubt if anything really has changed. I believe those who use both platforms will still be "punished". There are others who already have been doing the same thing (going after those using both platforms). They are mad because steemit screwed them so now they are striking out against user who did not do anything to them.

I will try and keep my curation account going, but my personal account is now powering down and sending some hive to the curation account. I will sell the rest. I believe that the curation account will still be attacked. Then "they" are hurting those that they ignore anyways, because if they hurt the curation account then I cannot be of service to those who to a helping hand.

I would like to think that Hive will become stronger, but there are too many that agreed with the original post, or are already doing what the first post proposed.

Do what you need to do. If people insist on punching down here on Hive, they will eventually be left with the wreck of what could have been good... the competition is too fierce.

I'm sorry if you felt threatened or bullied.
I'm sorry if you felt limited in your freedom to post >your content on the media of your choice.

Please apologize!

Note that the sentences structured as people fell victim because they deserved it? I did not accept the apology, because the word brings absolutely no remorse to me, matter of fact it was a demand on my apology. I'd rest my case here, but with a huge negative impact.

I saw that, but I also have read that English is not the first language of the poster -- so, I give the benefit of the doubt. I also went back and pointed out that words are fine, but action needed to be taken -- a mitigation of the damage. That has been done, as I understand.

Thank you - and I agree with you. Permanent damage has been done and to people that have been making it a point to help others. So frustrating!

It looks like the blacklist is taken down. I am very happy about that. And now, I can let it rest.

Repentance has occurred ... now we all can relax!

Stay well ... loved seeing those Suriname cherries... nothing going on even on Hive is worth your life ... preserve your peace!

nothing going on even on Hive is worth your life ...
that I agree with :) And I am over it already. I was very surprised that I reacted that strongly. But then again, we all live in a crazy world right now and there are so many injustices I can't change or even have a place to have my voice heard.
So, this one got me 🤪

You did well ... you were heard!

It may have been taken down, but I have a copy on my computer. I would imagine it not go away.

That is the permanent damage that cannot be undone -- 2,461 people exposed to financial damage without regard to their real needs, on a blockchain where nothing can be erased. I accept the apology and the removal of the blacklist from front-end -- that is good -- but the witness vote will not be restored, and why, like plenty of other people, I am slowing on-boarding efforts and looking at Hive's non-Steem competition with a little more attention. It is inevitable: permanent harm done leads to permanent consequences.