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RE: Bible study for beginners, fun quiz & continued discussion -- Atheist ~ Christian

in #atheism7 years ago

You're welcome!

Any 'truth' that has been viewed through the lens of a totalitarian ideology (such as religious dogma) is in danger of being warped

Imagine how much it can be warped when people come to the conclusion that there is no moral duty to pursue or adhere to true concepts!
Or the conclusion that senses are not necessarily reliable.

Do you think your god has spoken clearly?

If He hasn't, we can't know anything.

How many versions of Christianity have there been over the years?

Totally irrelevant to the question whether God has spoken clearly. Someone who knows the Bible would know why.

Surely, if the god had spoken clearly, there'd be only ONE.

Please state this assertion in the form of a logical syllogism.

Most scholars, since the 19th century, agree this was the first gospel to be written, around 70 C.E., as a 3-act drama

Most naturalist scholars. Their presuppositions are wrong, so it's no wonder they come to foolish conclusions.

They also believe it to be the work of an unknown writer.

Except it says "the Gospel according to MARK".

No EVIDENCE whatsoever of divine intervention.

We've been over this. What's your evidence that your senses are reliable?

I'm sorry you can't trust your senses, Abo.

The astute reader will note I've said no such thing. I'm saying that IF atheism is true (which it isn't), then there's no way to know whether our senses are reliable. I've asked you to show me that senses ARE reliable, given atheistic presuppositions. You've been able to give no cogent answer.

Are you saying you need ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY, that your entire world would fall apart if the bible turns out to be nonsense?

I don't know what "your entire world would fall apart" means or why you said it, but that isn't what I'm saying anyway.
I'm asking very simple questions, and you are avoiding them. If atheism is true, I don't see any reason to assume that "place" is a relevant concept, because I don't see any reason to assume that senses or brains are reliable. Prove me wrong.

It's not important to ABSOLUTELY know everything.

The astute reader will note I never claimed that any individual must know EVERYTHING.

It's ok to have uncertainty

How did you come to this conclusion?

It's exciting to discover new facts about our reality as we go along

How do you know that you've discovered ANY facts?

What are the underlying arguments that prove Muzzy Mo's visions were delusional?

I presume you refer to the false prophet known as Mohammed.
www.youtube.com/acts17apologetics
www.youtube.com/dontconvert2islam

You mean you have feelings and thoughts which lead you to the conclusion it must be real and true?

Ummm no.

Have you ever met someone suffering from schizophrenia or high on shrooms?

You stole my line. Haven't you? How do you know that YOUR mind isn't the one malfunctioning?

Please share the numerous and serious fatal inconsistencies to help me understand how atheism is false.

I have been already.
You could start deconstructing my critique by answering how you know your senses are reliable and why any of this matters.

Let's have a fun quiz: Who's lying?

Nothing original? That's a shame.
Tell you what - I'll answer your "contradictions" when you explain to me how, given atheistic presuppositions, there exists a moral duty to adhere to non-contradictory concepts.

Can you answer some of my questions now please?

Surely you jest. I've answered all of your questions with only a very few exceptions, and you have avoided virtually all of mine.

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Fourteen minutes into the video and it's clear that you have understood basically nothing, whether about the arguments I've been making, or arguments from authority, or about biblical textual criticism.
You don't even know enough to engage. If you find that too rude a statement, I suggest you grow up and do some serious study, but of course I can't force you to do so. If you're satisfied with Dawkins' rubbish and with saying "but a university professor said something about the Gospel of Mark this one time!", nothing I can say will persuade you, and your avoidance of most of my challenges is as telling as it needs to be, your bizarre denials of avoidance notwithstanding.

I'll be disengaging unless and until you actually say something new or interact substantively with any of my arguments.

LOL

I'm sorry you are incapable of understanding my arguments. I do know enough to engage and you know that. You're just sore coz I called out your narcissistic games. Boo hoo.

By the way, it wasn't just one professor. MORE LIES, ABO!!! There were loads of them. I listed just 4 to start you off. Tut tut.

I haven't avoided any of your challenges. I answered each in turn and it's here on the blockchain for all to see. Nice try with more GASLIGHTING!

Disengage. Have a nice life.

Do come back when you're willing to discuss the dogma.

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