I agree with most of what he says there, and I think it runs right in line with some of the things we've explored in this conversation.
I think something very interesting that he addresses is creating the infrastructure through token funding. Now this is very interesting to me, and I'll tell you why. When I see ICOs, many of them are touting a decentralized service that is 100% backed by centralized infrastructure. I mean, there are certain things that could work....Ziber I thought was something that could work...yes I know the Ziber story now, and still hold some of their worthless tokens, but the idea seemed viable while riding on the back of the current infrastructure.
So this is where the tug of war of the mind comes in. Do you want to be 110% for free market....even if that means people feel oppressed because the market was monopolized before they had any say or a chance to try anything else or build anything else. I say yes to that, because it is reality, and I do believe ultimately in may the best man win.....even if that win doesn't come for my benefit in my lifetime. OR alternatively do you believe in a socialized or democratic free market that can make or break a person or company's hold on something, or what many would refer to as their success, based on a 51/49 vote. To me, that is a very dangerous game to put into play. Democracy is not what most people think. True democracy verges on the very thin line between "well most people wanted it so...ok fine" and Mob Rules.
No system is perfect, and no one knows of a perfect system. We are always working off of the best information we have up to that point. Sort of like when people try to say "Why should I listen to science when science is proven wrong over and over throughout history." That thought pattern is a misunderstanding of what science is. We must work off of the most true element that we know of at any given time, because that's our most progressed state.
Truth is, we are born into a type of slavery. A slavery of the mind, in which models are presented to you as acceptable and unacceptable. To be free of that is to continue to break the mold through creation and innovation....and well, not giving a fuck what someone else tells you is ok to model after and not ok to model after.
The entrapment of the larger forces of humanity reaches depths that are very hard to even comprehend. Have you ever considered the fact that no person alive today has lived any part of their life without being completely engulfed in radio waves. Would it be any different? Would our minds and our bodies work any differently? I don't know....nobody does. But the development of the infrastructure that creates that bubble is generally thought of as a good thing, and progressing forward. So I have to ask myself....do we have a right to tell the company that has spent 120 years building the technology infrastructure that we benefit from every day that they can't do what they want with that infrastructure? Sure we do...but to have the right to do something begs of you the responsibility to use that right in a manner in which respects more needs than your own. So if we all said no ATT, we're done with you, fuck you guys, and we actually had the balls to follow through with that, they might just decide OK Well we're going to stop everything we have ever built up that supports your cities power, water, communication, employs millions, and fuels the vehicles that bring you food. I hope all billion of you are farmers with a lot of land to stretch out on, and you can go without those things until you learn to grow a good crop.
It may sound a bit like I'm defending those companies, and I can see that perspective. But what I'm really doing is thinking beyond my lifetime both forward and backward. Getting to where we are now certainly didn't happen overnight, and it didn't happen because 51% of the people thought those things were a good idea. Getting here took the will of people who did things their own way. People who threw the old models out and built new ones even in the face of adversity of the previous giants holding the sword. That doesn't mean that things don't devolve into a sort of chaotic power struggle where people get hurt...they do....and they do because we are humans, and as we can relate to this blog here, we are often driven by one, or both of two factors....Fear and Greed.
Is it time for blood to run in the streets and for it all to be torn down? Well that may be the preference of some, but I prefer to progress ideas and keep creating using the tools at hand, and some of those tools were put in place by the same people that many wish to see bleeding.
It's a big big big big big world, and an even bigger struggle to try to be on top and have some remanence of control. I don't think anyone can control it. Try as they might, I don't think they can. Some are on top at some times, and some are at the bottom at some times. The structure of life appears too chaotic to our minds to truly hold control of the direction of things. There are forces of change and progression that cannot be stopped. If ATT is the bad guy, their reign of power will come to an end for something that we see as a better solution.....at the time. Then one day, that solution will feel oppressive, because things never stop motion, and they never stop progressing. They don't crash, they only go into corrections.
I do realize when I start typing these things out, I jump around alot, so I hope that comes across somewhat coherently.
The new solution we seek will come to fruition, but not without much pushback from those who constructed the current model and built the infrastructure we rely on now. A second note on that to always keep in mind is that when I say the solution we seek, that is assuming we all seek the same solution, and that's not the truth.
No that's really great stuff scarlet and some key points...they are very valid..that's why i think BTC and crypto in general has done so well because it's using the infrastructure in place now to innovate without protesting and trying to bring down the companies that have supplied these services all these years...the token idea Andreas mentioned may be the key to seperating this technology from the mainstream..really good discussion
I agree with most of what he says there, and I think it runs right in line with some of the things we've explored in this conversation.
I think something very interesting that he addresses is creating the infrastructure through token funding. Now this is very interesting to me, and I'll tell you why. When I see ICOs, many of them are touting a decentralized service that is 100% backed by centralized infrastructure. I mean, there are certain things that could work....Ziber I thought was something that could work...yes I know the Ziber story now, and still hold some of their worthless tokens, but the idea seemed viable while riding on the back of the current infrastructure.
So this is where the tug of war of the mind comes in. Do you want to be 110% for free market....even if that means people feel oppressed because the market was monopolized before they had any say or a chance to try anything else or build anything else. I say yes to that, because it is reality, and I do believe ultimately in may the best man win.....even if that win doesn't come for my benefit in my lifetime. OR alternatively do you believe in a socialized or democratic free market that can make or break a person or company's hold on something, or what many would refer to as their success, based on a 51/49 vote. To me, that is a very dangerous game to put into play. Democracy is not what most people think. True democracy verges on the very thin line between "well most people wanted it so...ok fine" and Mob Rules.
No system is perfect, and no one knows of a perfect system. We are always working off of the best information we have up to that point. Sort of like when people try to say "Why should I listen to science when science is proven wrong over and over throughout history." That thought pattern is a misunderstanding of what science is. We must work off of the most true element that we know of at any given time, because that's our most progressed state.
Truth is, we are born into a type of slavery. A slavery of the mind, in which models are presented to you as acceptable and unacceptable. To be free of that is to continue to break the mold through creation and innovation....and well, not giving a fuck what someone else tells you is ok to model after and not ok to model after.
The entrapment of the larger forces of humanity reaches depths that are very hard to even comprehend. Have you ever considered the fact that no person alive today has lived any part of their life without being completely engulfed in radio waves. Would it be any different? Would our minds and our bodies work any differently? I don't know....nobody does. But the development of the infrastructure that creates that bubble is generally thought of as a good thing, and progressing forward. So I have to ask myself....do we have a right to tell the company that has spent 120 years building the technology infrastructure that we benefit from every day that they can't do what they want with that infrastructure? Sure we do...but to have the right to do something begs of you the responsibility to use that right in a manner in which respects more needs than your own. So if we all said no ATT, we're done with you, fuck you guys, and we actually had the balls to follow through with that, they might just decide OK Well we're going to stop everything we have ever built up that supports your cities power, water, communication, employs millions, and fuels the vehicles that bring you food. I hope all billion of you are farmers with a lot of land to stretch out on, and you can go without those things until you learn to grow a good crop.
It may sound a bit like I'm defending those companies, and I can see that perspective. But what I'm really doing is thinking beyond my lifetime both forward and backward. Getting to where we are now certainly didn't happen overnight, and it didn't happen because 51% of the people thought those things were a good idea. Getting here took the will of people who did things their own way. People who threw the old models out and built new ones even in the face of adversity of the previous giants holding the sword. That doesn't mean that things don't devolve into a sort of chaotic power struggle where people get hurt...they do....and they do because we are humans, and as we can relate to this blog here, we are often driven by one, or both of two factors....Fear and Greed.
Is it time for blood to run in the streets and for it all to be torn down? Well that may be the preference of some, but I prefer to progress ideas and keep creating using the tools at hand, and some of those tools were put in place by the same people that many wish to see bleeding.
It's a big big big big big world, and an even bigger struggle to try to be on top and have some remanence of control. I don't think anyone can control it. Try as they might, I don't think they can. Some are on top at some times, and some are at the bottom at some times. The structure of life appears too chaotic to our minds to truly hold control of the direction of things. There are forces of change and progression that cannot be stopped. If ATT is the bad guy, their reign of power will come to an end for something that we see as a better solution.....at the time. Then one day, that solution will feel oppressive, because things never stop motion, and they never stop progressing. They don't crash, they only go into corrections.
I do realize when I start typing these things out, I jump around alot, so I hope that comes across somewhat coherently.
The new solution we seek will come to fruition, but not without much pushback from those who constructed the current model and built the infrastructure we rely on now. A second note on that to always keep in mind is that when I say the solution we seek, that is assuming we all seek the same solution, and that's not the truth.
No that's really great stuff scarlet and some key points...they are very valid..that's why i think BTC and crypto in general has done so well because it's using the infrastructure in place now to innovate without protesting and trying to bring down the companies that have supplied these services all these years...the token idea Andreas mentioned may be the key to seperating this technology from the mainstream..really good discussion