I gotcha and i'm not offended. I appreciate the convo. I guess I'm coming from a presupposition that believe's we're all inherently bad or deprived so that even our good or gracious acts are tainted by that. You can call it human nature or sin but it amounts to a whole lot of fallen people trying to find their way. We build these ideals based on good intentions but they always seem to fall short. Any way good convo.
Belief is the key word in that.
Others believe people are inherently good, and it’s society, culture, or poor upbringing that corrupts. I’d personally lean in that direction, though leave belief out of the equation.
And yeah, idealisms nearly always fail to live up to intentions, if for no other reason than they’re based on belief rather than consciousness - distorted maps of the territory full of assumptions and biases rather than a clear vision of the territority, objective honesty, and consciously-directed wisdom of how to harmonize with natural law...