We will never even come close to agreeing. It's just never gonna happen. I don't mind you having your values, which are the polar opposites of mine.
But any kind of debate is pointless and a waste of time.
We will never even come close to agreeing. It's just never gonna happen. I don't mind you having your values, which are the polar opposites of mine.
But any kind of debate is pointless and a waste of time.
Well, I will bark at you regardless, good sir.
Reminder that the irish were once persecuted heavily in "the west" for being poor criminals with bad genetics. However, once mexicans, africans, and indians started coming into the mix, it was easier to bring all white-skinned individuals under the same umbrella and attack those with darker shades. Skin is 100%, factually, a huge factor behind the nationalist movements. You can "disagree" if you're ignorant of the history of race-based politics, but you can't just str8-up deny reality.
Skin isn't the only factor, but it is among the biggest for discerning the fundamentals of supremacy. People have begun using the terms "western culture" to denote anything where white people are majority, it's a racist dog-whistle, plain and simple. "Racism against whites" certainly exists, but its an extreme minority. The most common form of "reverse-racism" you'll see is just knocking whites off the pedestal they think they deserve, which isn't racist objectively, just pushing equality.
There's no problem with being proud of your heritage and upbringing, but when your pride gets in the way of other people trying to live their lives, it is then an issue.
You're a libertarian, correct? Nationalism and libertarianism are also fundamental opposites. Libertarian values (of which I am 100% in favor of) suggest that everyone has the freedom and free will to do what they want when they want as long as it doesn't negatively affect others. Nationalism in Current Year(tm) is suppressing others in favor of promoting yourself and your """values""".
The most important core philosophies behind the libertarian ideology is freedom and liberty for all.
I’m not a libertarian anymore. It’s the open borders question that finally made me move away from libertarianism.
I made the jump to fascism.
Oh my.
Open borders in Current Year(tm) is definitely not a great idea. However, shutting down all immigration is also not a great idea. We need a good mixture to allow filters to be in place so that people of good heart and values can join our societies and bad actors cannot. Cultural Inbreeding leads to stagnation.
However I do think that within 250 years or so we will develop a globalized society. The globalists are coming, maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but they're coming.
Which is why I don’t understand why you people are always so upset all the time.
You’ve already won. Enjoy it.
The nuclear family is going away. Whites are going to die out. Conservative values are dying out. Masculinity and patriarchy are seen as toxic and borderline illegal.
Etc. etc.
You’ve already won hardcore.
It’s not someone with your values that is ostracized from society, it’s me.
My values are damn near illegal and I need to constantly be careful. There’s tons of stuff I never say publicly because it’s going to get me in trouble.
SJWs don’t have those types of opinions.
You’re the mainstream. Congratulations.
The era of degeneracy is already here.
You'd be surprised, it's not quite as guaranteed as you think. Look at the current U.S.A. political situation.
The fundamental difference here is that I think you can have your traditional lifestyle. In fact, I'm #TRADLIFE myself. I want a white husband, a dog, a picket fence, and to watch Leave It To Beaver right before supper time every evening. Sounds awesome.
The thing is that I want everyone to do whatever they want. Having groups and samey places is fine, look at chinatown or little italy in New York, for example. You can have your places where you feel at home if you want to.
The issue is the connection between purity, nationalistic ideals, and imperialism. Which is the main divide. I don't care what other people do, whereas a lot of nationalistic people care really really much about what others do and try to force them to either assimilate entirely or GTFO. Having safe spaces is what everyone deserves, I just don't think we should be entirely isolated from the other. Living your entire life in a chinatown like location would be damaging, but having that place to retreat to when you want to is nothing but cool.
If you want anything you should be able to achieve it, just so long as it doesn't hurt others. I don't really think entire countries being ethnostates is a great idea. I'd be down with smaller and more diversely placed styles of similar locations.
I also think that hating the other is something we shouldn't do. Let them chill over there, let us chill over here.
Of course, with our current era of extreme displacement, refugee crises and so forth, things get muddied up. I think it's fine if people don't want entirely different cultures running all over them so fast, but to outright reject them entirely when they don't have a home to go back to is just fundamentally unfair. This would all be solved in a globalized society, where everything is laid out in fair and equal ways. I think we can achieve a fractured version of this if we end the awful wars in the middle east within our life-times. I wish displacement and refugees didn't exist. But instead of rejecting and punishing them, we should work on helping them have places they feel comfortable going to.