It's the Steem version of "I'm taking my ball and going home".
If that happens I'm going to power down.
I've heard and read this statement many times in the last couple of weeks, from Developers, Bot Owners, Bloggers, and stakeholders in response to the recent flurry of change proposals.
First of all, I don't believe you! If you are still here fighting you still care.
In addition, come on guys, pre-emptive quitting? What if... drum roll, you are wrong and if there is a change, it is good?
Haven't you ever been wrong about what might or might not be a good idea before? I have.
Surrounding the proposed changes, there are a few I like and a few I don't but if any of them happen, I will do my best to give it a try and hope for the best.
My overall feeling is that if those with the most stake are more interested in stacking coins than building the site we have a long hard path in front of us anyway.
The money will flow with the values of the Stakeholders if they want to invest in and build the site and a community they will choose to spend their time and investment doing that. If they consider this a chance to hold millions of mostly valueless tokens, that is what they will continue to do.
It seems highly unlikely that any changes are going to strong arm the stakeholders into investing time and energy into spending stake on rewarding content. If we had a better distribution it wouldn't matter. If the crypto-markets were pumping, I also think it wouldn't matter.
We are in a slump with the rest of the Market and economically and emotionally it is just taking a toll on many of us.
Yes, I'm feeling a little snarky about the conversation, and yes I get the Investors want to earn, but focusing on giving Steem value seems more important to me than who gets to stack the most of them, while they are declining in value.
@whatsup
From my Research and Development; No One Really Cares Here.
As for Selfishness have gone Beyond.
Take Care of Yourself First.
No One will Cares if you Power down and leaving the Platform.
Power Up x XXX , going Stronger - Keep Moving!
I'm not quitting. :) But someone should care that we are now starting to lose mid sized engaged accounts.
I think some of the mid sized accounts have been leaving or at least staying away for a few months. The greedy ones who occasionally pop back to make a few quid and ones with their own multi account circles who did nothing buy take take take anyway. Good riddance, we are now seeing peoples true greedy colours.
Steemit is quite nice at the moment with a lot of nice people so for me, i think its better than its ever been.
I invest time and love the engagement here and its now easier to see the trees in the woods, and easier to see the dross and the selfish grabbers.
Pre emptive quitting is pathetic, as in any team sport, no one person is bigger than the team. Things may change, the emphasis will shift but the blockchain itself is solid and will remain.
Looking forward to more rewards for the rest of us :-)
Part of me does like that we are down to more serious users.
People will always be scared of change. Rightfully so too if you ask me. Change is scary. But of course it's thoughts like this that keeps us going :
We've probably all done this before, and if there is something more scary than change anyway, it's the thought of making the same mistake twice.
Laters, whatsup!
(This is the only place that phrase would ever make sense haha. I'm sure you've had it before though.)
Good points.
snarky is good, we like snarky, more snarky please
If people don’t start shaving the Steem logo in their head, I’m powering down...
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lol, well.. I'm not going to. ;)
I really appreciate the way you phrase things. I'm really puzzled by the discussions that are going on, but one thing is clear to me:
If you're good at applying the current rules, chances are you'll also be good at applying different rules.
Estimating behavior of people based on certain rules and incentives you set up is hard. That's why Kahneman and Tversky had such a huge success. Plus, we're mixing up the potential behavior of rational people (e.g. vote farmers) and irrational people (pretty much everyone else). It's kinda clear that people like me (and probably everyone making even less) aren't here for the money:
I've been here for a year and made less than 200$ in Steem. The rest I bought.
So, can anyone safely assume that I'm making a good hourly rate by spending my time on Steem? Don't think so.
So why would I spend my time here, if not for the money? This is what what we should be thinking about!
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haha, if I don't buy a vote, I make around $10 a day... 2.5 years in. I think many of us are wondering why we are putting the time in!
most likely, people are putting the time in because: no matter if you're making 100 dollars a post, or 1 cent a post, your making more than you would literally anywhere else. Instagram doesn't pay you, Twitter doesn't pay you, Facebook fucks you... and doesn't pay you, of course.
Steem will pay you, at the very least, something. Plus, the community. Find the right people and this platform becomes as good if not better than any other.
Exactly, your voice is worth something. Something doesn't mean hundreds.
I agree fully with you, and if everybody would just stop mining and actually start reading before they vote and to start writing comments and and and and....then there would not be so many steemit clones popping up and steemprice will eventually climb....let me know if you ever decide to run because I'll be right behind you...ha ha
Totally agree, investment in the site is more than holding and stacking tokens.
"We are in a slump with the rest of the Market and economically and emotionally it is just taking a toll on many of us."
I think that is at the heart of a lot of this. People are getting frustrated and that is causing them to do wonky things. I think it was you who pointed this out (that I saw anyway) but most of those people who make a big scene about quitting will come back when they see things improving here so we have to take those types of statements with a big grain of salt.
Nods... It is not a good negotiation tactic, but I think they think it is.
The proposed changes I have seen all deal with trying to discourage self-voting, vote selling, bot-use, etc.
This is certainly a problem for the Steem blockchain, so I understand that the community is working to change some of the ways posts are rewarded, curation is rewarded, and even how downvoting works.
I too have seen some ideas I like, and others that I strongly disagree with.
The thing is, the outcome of any proposed change is mostly conjecture. Changing incentives in order to change behavior will always create some unintended consequences. We simply do not know how people will behave when the incentives are changed. People are far too complex to predict, and eventually people will find other ways to game the system. It is the same in every facet of life, and in every economy there are always "cheaters". It may take another two years and another twenty hardforks to get it right, but Steem will continue to evolve and improve.
It is still way too early in Steem's development to jump off now, and especially over changes that could be reversed if they don't work anyway!! Blockchain technology in general is still in its infancy, and to be part of the Steem community now is still very much a ground-floor opportunity.
I am not going anywhere. I believe in the Steem blockchain, and believe it is not yet even close to reaching its full potential.
Yeah, we need a pump or good news or ....
However, overall, I agree. We haven't reached the full potential.
Frankly, very little people here can demand anything as the protocol isn’t made to entitle anyone. Rather it is about community building with a strong social presence as the end game. While it may not seen we are there yet, it is truly something inspiring already for many. We need to learn how to manage expectations as we continue to build the beat alternative for all and not a select fee, whatever that may be.
Also very few people hold enough stake to make any dent at all in the big stakeholders. :)
You're so right, rage quitting is a complete waste of time. Apart from the fact that nobody cares, the rage quitter ends up looking and feeling pretty silly when they skulk back with their tails between their legs. Lolz
Cg
Haha, at least a rage quitter is funny. ;)
Just go down this listand you can see who took the money and ran.
I don’t understand why anyone who invested a serious amount of time and money wouldn’t be focusing on long term growth....
Maybe the whales have an exit plan 🧐
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Shit, I actually checked my keyboard to see if B Y and E are together.
hahaha
Sir, I agree with you! But doesn't matter that market is up or down. We know that there has alot of potential. We should look it for long time. I always motivate with your post. I learn something especial from your post.
Alot of thanks!!!
Yes there is a lot of potential.
What are the ones you don't like ?
I am strongly opposed to adding the curve back into the reward pool! Especially with increased curation rewards.
Most of the rest are a big shrug...
I lean a little towards the change in curation rewards with cheaper or free flags.
ha I'm like "bye, Felicia." I don't care if people power down and leave. They'll be back. :)
ba, bye...
It is really painful to hear sometimes, despite the fact that it affects us all. Funny thing is that :
If steem doesn't grow, then it is all for nought. We might as well give up cause we all could do better with our time than stackin useless tokens
Agreed.
If people don't stop flagging I'm going to flag them...
numpty really a boy? lol
That numpty is very suspect - may be trans...
I was also pretty caught up in the hype train of 50/50 rewards being a bad thing but the messaging came from a lot people in the same circle which is normal I suppose. I think that people make as if tech is not in a liquid state and that changes made cant be reverted if it doesn't have the desired effect/ We're still in beta and trying to figure out the best way forward. There clealry has been slow trickle down and poor retention on steemit so if you want to keep the circle jerk by all means.
I'm not sure if its because people are living off of steem that they are so emotional. This is just beer money and having fun with it so im not too phased if i am or am not rewarded for things I post, share or comment about.
Your very last paragraph is no doubts DA BEST
Well, I have mixed feelings about 50/50 and my curiosity about it, was peaked. With a cool down time, I feel like it is all in the hands of the stake holders, if they keep coin stacking, the site will likely continue to not grow.
Yes, I'm not that worried about possible changes. In fact we need those to evolve into a more mature and usefull platform. I really like a blockchain alternative to compete with all the centralized social media platforms out there. The only thing that does worry me however, is seeing how much Steem NED has been cashing out without explanation. I mean, if you believe in your own project, would you be cashing out so much, even before your project becomes really big?
Ned has way too much stake, I am glad he is cashing some out.
I get that people sometimes treat their wallet like a share and expect some leverage in return, but that's really only going to work with (at least) a whale. Beyond that, people can just sort of do whatever they want without there being much affect one way or the other.
Although, I have gotten flack from people because I've powered down (even though it wasn't even something I mentioned let alone used as leverage).
I remember that! Yeah, holding steem doesn't seem to matter much at the moment. I self upvote once a day, that is about all it gets me.
These potential quitters are putting their foot down to oppose change in a blockchain that was always built on community based change. Voicing their opinion is valid enough but trying to add weight to it by gathering up their toys?
For those of us in this (and crypto) for the long haul, that just mean that those toys we are amassing as early adopters are going to be available cheap. Part of the game really and always will be.
I am inspired by the current round of plankton striving to be minnows. Joining when there is a movement afoot and the currency is bull running is fine enough and will happen again. The group of folks sticking it out after the last few months are no fair weather STEEMians.
Lets do this!
I love this and you are right, those who are joining now have are going to get a realistic start.
I like that when someone rage quits steemit, it takes them 13 weeks to power down. That's enough time to calm down and think about what they're doing. There's a percentage of people that leave, however good the platform is. Some of them leave and then return and some are multiple quitters. As long as steemit can keep those numbers down to a reasonable level, I don't think its worth thinking about.
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