And not being able to keep any means you might want to use to make yourself more productive, and thus improve your standard of living. Doesn't communism also hold that private property doesn't exist, and that means of production are owned in common, along with everything else? Who has a greater claim to my body than me? Or my car? Or my house? Or do I just not get any of those things? Who decides what I can or cannot use?
In response to the conversation andrei and I were having. (can't comment past 6 deep apparently.)
When I say communism is capitalism what I mean is if you were to voluntarily live in a commune you would have to be agreeing to do so. If that is the case then each individual has essentially agreed to share the benefits of their labor with the collective, which they reciprocate. That to me is no different than a trade, it may be a different kind of trade, but it still is one.
Agreed @justinschwalm. So long as it's voluntary and consensual, people can, and should, be free to do as they wish. I'll never assert otherwise, even when it comes to establishing communes or socialist communities.
And not being able to keep any means you might want to use to make yourself more productive, and thus improve your standard of living. Doesn't communism also hold that private property doesn't exist, and that means of production are owned in common, along with everything else? Who has a greater claim to my body than me? Or my car? Or my house? Or do I just not get any of those things? Who decides what I can or cannot use?
I already explained personal vs private property I will make a post on it at some point and I will hopefully be able to dumb it down enough.
How about you just riddle me this: what objective criteria separates the two?
In response to the conversation andrei and I were having. (can't comment past 6 deep apparently.)
When I say communism is capitalism what I mean is if you were to voluntarily live in a commune you would have to be agreeing to do so. If that is the case then each individual has essentially agreed to share the benefits of their labor with the collective, which they reciprocate. That to me is no different than a trade, it may be a different kind of trade, but it still is one.
Agreed @justinschwalm. So long as it's voluntary and consensual, people can, and should, be free to do as they wish. I'll never assert otherwise, even when it comes to establishing communes or socialist communities.