It's a simple plain fact.
@peakd is willing to hide from you the things they think you don't need to see.
You were given no choice in this.
They have chosen to take a side in a difference of opinion and have hidden the other side from you.
By default.
Can you still see what they have chosen to hide from you?
Yes, if you know where to look.
Will you see it in the course of your normal day?
Probably not.
Which is the intent of @peakd's decision to hide it from you in the first place.
Do you even know what I am talking about, dear reader?
You may not have even noticed that some discussions in the hive have been hidden from you.
How could you know they exist if you were never allowed to see them in the first place?
@peakd has decided that you don't need to be bothered with unpopular dissenting opinions.
@peakd has chosen the side of the popular and edited out the unpopular.
The memory hole is alive and well in the corporatacracy that is @peakd.
@peakd has decided that some voices are not to be heard while others will be given preference by default.
You are not to be given a choice in this, you are to simply not even notice.
I'm gonna guess that that plan was successful.
Most hivizens will have no clue of what I am talking about.
All hail the omniscience of @peakd!
So, I naturally spoke up.
I have gotten a response to my query.
It was explained to me in terms of dust votes.
If you don't have enough hp to affect a 1% impact on the payout of the post, your downvote will not register in the ui.
The calculation is done upon opening the post.
It was suggested that if one wants their downvote to show in the ui one should buy more hp.
The downvotes of the xaccounts were defined as noise, and therefore, inconsequential.
Done only with the intent of annoying others.
It was further stated that if your downvote doesn't reach 1% of the payout of the post it won't be shown even if collectively all the downvotes would have shown.
On a post with a payout of 100hbd, any downvotes less than 1hbd will be hidden.
This means that on trending, unless somebody has a large enough vote to overcome this 1% threshold the post will show zero downvotes irrespective of how many downvotes were cast.
This would lead to no downvotes showing at all even though dozens of downvotes have been cast on the post.
All laws favor the rich, or they change them.
If @peakd wants to offer an opt in service that is fine.
But, to decide for me that I have to overcome the impediments they have erected to keep me, and most daily users, from seeing speech on the chain, that is a bridge too far.
IF you care enough to register your disappointment with this autocratic decision, you can do so here: https://discord.gg/b988CkWUMa, and/or here: https://discord.gg/32kZzkMTR7.
Or, in the comments of this post.
If you are tired of paying your masters to bomb children in far away places, perhaps it is time you pushed back on that, eh?
A simple way that anybody can do that is to hoard your coins.
A dollar of change in your pocket is a dollar of value out of the banksters' pockets that make the world what it is today.
That is all, for now, you may resume your otherwise mundane day.
To contest the characterization of your day as mundane, make a post of your own explaining why your day is not mundane and ping me, eh?
Let's ignore the petty attack mentality and actually talk about solutions... you seem to have a lot of issues with people these days and are taking it out on us... i get it... you're frustrated. But let's talk solutions.
SOLUTION ONE
I personally think that all votes and downvotes should be shown on the same screen with both of them sorted by AMOUNT Example: a -1.01 would be ahead of the 1.00 for example but it would have the negative sign. Sometimes there are hundreds of votes so we show by default the top 10-20 and then let them see the rest. Also maybe a second sort mechanism to see downvotes first.
This would be great... but it takes work to create it.
Also i think there should be ONE VOTE button and a way to switch it from up to down. That's a UI solution that would be awesome... but it takes work to create it.
And before we create it the truth is we're going to redo that entire bottom section of posts so we want to wait until AFTER we do that so that we're not doing things twice. So the plan is to wait until after the post UI changes to address some of these UI things.
OTHER: THE SOLUTION
It is my opinion that it should be an END USER DECISION meaning the end user should decide which level of downvotes they see. We can put a default and then users can change it and see what they want to see.
However the API apparently didn't allow for this to be possible from what i know so we couldn't do that method.
And then the real solution is the things we want to do to the layout of the bottom of posts so taking on this solution doesn't make sense given our very very limited resources when we could wait to solve the entire set of issues.
So yeah I actually agree with you in a way that it isn't fair that we are treating one downvote differently than the others without giving the end user a say. But I'd hate to break it to you but I'm guessing 99.9% of users would continue to not want to see the .001 downvotes. But yeah they should have that choice... but alas I'm told the tech isn't capable.
But again the reality is this is all a compromise until we can fix everything with a better UI at the bottom of posts. I'm not even sure we'll show vote counts by default but people will be able to easily click a button and see the vote count and the top votes (by absolute vote... meaning -2 is above +1 etc) And then see full list should be easy... as it actually is now.
P.s. we have individually responded to your requests and suggestions dozens of times in Discord... and then you stop talking and just do an attack post? Without even asking why. Your last time on discord to ask us for something was DEC 2020 but you used to be on there non stop asking for things... do you not remember how easy we are to work with and ask questions of?
I spoke with asgarth privately, but not enough to solve all my questions.
I did that by working with the ui trying to figure out my next move.
It seems that I was wrong about what the changes really were.
Ya'll have done a good job with this.
The votes are not hidden on another interface, they are still there, just in a different place.
I will make a post that makes it clear that I was wrong, and your design was a good one.
I mostly use the Ecency App, and occasionally peakd. I didn't know that peakd had such a feature. I think that everything should be pure here since we are on a blockchain network. No need to hide anything like that.
That's what I thought, too.
IF I want something hidden, I should be offered an opt in.
It can't be that hard to put in another user setting.
Funny, because on ecency all those downvotes are not visible in the feed. So you never saw them and never complained. But now that those are hidden by default on peakd somehow it's not good :D
I am not a supporter of either ecency or peakd. I just use ecency mostly and I can see downvotes in a post.
Yep, just saying you can see downvotes on peakd too. Exactly the same way
I'm a little confused about what you are saying. Are they hiding posts with large amounts of tiny downvotes or are they hiding downvotes and allowing posts with large quantities of tiny downvotes to show up?
I only see downvotes on Ecency if I look for them. They actually show up as a tally with the upvotes and I only know they are downvotes if I check the percentages.
This is exactly what happens now on peakd too. They are not shown on a separate list but added at the end of the upvote list.
I guess, on hive.blog downvotes are put in with the upvotes, but on peakd, they were separate.
I haven't uses ecency.
From what I have been told, the new treatment is that if the vote doesn't equal 1% of the payout it doesn't show.
Even if there were 100 downvotes as long as none reach 1% of the payout none will show.
I can only speak for myself, but this is a deal breaker for me.
As soon as a ui comes along that doesn't hide things from me I will jump ship.
Just as I jumped from hive.blog over the overwhelming ugliness of how they did communities.
Damn, that's absurd.
Do they still affect reputation score in Peakd?
Does rep score even matter any more?
Yes, exactly as they do on Ecency were those downvotes have always been added at the bottom of the vote list.
Such small downvotes are not going to affect reputation either way.
Upvotes are unaffected, downvotes are only affected in that the ui doesn't show them, they still count at the blockchain the same as before.
This is simply about silencing a few trolls.
Reputation never really mattered because all it measures is how much stake has voted for you.
This is very much a pay to play system unfortunately.
Depending on how fast you want to climb the ladder.
Many people pay nothing but their time and have done very well.
It just depends on if the large stakeholders support your content, or not.
Aren't these xaccounts bots? Or did someone make an anti-account for every prominent account on hive?
The xaccounts are an initiative to make countering whale votes easier, both up and down.
They are designed to be followed by hive.vote.
Whenever one votes up, you vote down, and vice versa.
If you want to counter downvotes by an account, this makes it easier.
I was on peakd once but have never been able to get back on there since. I don't know exactly what they did. I voiced an opinion that was counter to the subject matter. I brought it up to someone and they said you have to have an account so I tried to sign up and it kept coming up my username didn't exist or something like that.
Just like with these tags, you use them the first time and they'll usually give you a healthy upvote but that's the last upvote you ever get, must be you only get one upvote in a lifetime. lol. The only one that was different was Three Speak, they gave me quite a few upvotes here and there.
Peakd is great, as far as I know.
I don't know what is missing to know what isn't there.
I used to get votes years ago, but they have tightened up their circles.
When the top 20 accounts control 50% of the inflation, there is much less left for the rest of us.
I'm betting that there are plenty of sockpuppets draining the pool for what they are worth.
Control freaks gotta control.
Unfortunately I don't agree on many things you have written above. A few important points you missed:
hive.blog and ecency have always shown downvotes at the bottom of the vote list. Nobody ever complained. Now we are doing the same on peakd if and only if downvotes are very small.
free speech is a thing, but spam is different. If an account downvote every single post it's not free speech. It's spam. And in my opinion hiding spam is a good thing.
those very small downvotes get lot of attention on the UI for a very wrong reason. Basically those accounts get attention because people are curious to know why that icon is displayed. And because on every single post there are 3 automatic account that cast those votes.
You explained in the comments that those accounts "are an initiative to make countering whale votes easier, both up and down.".
Well, seems to me you agree with me. We should hide those automatic downvotes that are only a trigger and only show larger ones if someone decide to follow them on hive.vote.
Those downvotes are not permanently hidden or deleted, just moved into another place. Like comments automatically muted for accounts with negative reputation.
I spent last night working with the new design.
It is a good one.
I was wrong.
I was afraid that more steps were to be required, ie, going to hiveblocks, but it seems you have not hidden the votes, just changed where they were linked.
You have done a good job with this change.
This I do not agree with.
I think there should be more crab bucket action so that the top 20 accounts no longer control 50% of the rewards pool.
I found that we cannot follow these trails on hive.vote because they don't have 1000hp.
So, unless the person creating that initiative can overcome that obstacle, they are pointless.
hive.blog didn't show the downvotes at the end of the list. It shows them based on the value of the votes. So if there is a $1 vote and a -$1.1 downvote, the downvote is displayed above the upvote. It lists them based on their impact.
At least this is how it used to be. Not sure if it changed.
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