Because people are forced to have a great idea doesn't make it right. Forcing people to do things is wrong.
Nobody forced math on people, people saw the beauty of math, and ran with it, but yes, some did not care for math, and having it forced on them won't implement or make them use a cup like math, you've simply forced people.
And ok, we can specify each topic down to the exact meaning I am talking about, but it would then only allow for specific holes to be picked at in the idea.
What makes it wrong, to be specific if you can?
Because we allow for specific holes to be picked at in the idea? Well that sounds like a scam, let's not talk about this great idea because it will allow for specific things to be picked at it
How can one debate if basic human rights are a good idea?
Because they aren't defined that's how, I simply asked you to defined, and we can see exactly how it can be debated and why.
Like I said everything is somehow going to impact another's lifestyle and it will be viewed as change, change is not normally an easy thing for people to come to terms with.
And, so? That means it's ok to force people? Force people to learn, sounds like reasonable, if there was a world where forcing people or initiating force is ok. Yeah, that's what you're arguing, it's ok to do it for learning, or implementing a great idea, your great idea.
You say that Zomia has lives in anarchy, but I am positive that everyone there did not just think hey, this is a good idea, we should all do this. I'm sure people pushed agendas and aggressively pursued the goal of making anarchy their system. One ruler will take over another ruler but the following is usually a more popular ruler that the people can relate to more than the previous.
I'm sure you are wrong, I'm sure that people there have resisted in numerous ways people taking power, in there the individual is first, not the community, and the individual doesn't believe in some are allowed to do what some are not allowed to do, more than that, leaders, from what I understand, haven't been through force or have more authority than an individual, any individual, nobody forces people to comply to their mandates, there is still justice but it isn't monopolized. They have done this for ever, because they wanted this, because they didn't want RULERS.
I thought I used pretty simple examples, but it seems that they were to broad for you to give thorough answers.
I broke down how some of those ideas are great when force is not used, and not great ideas at all if force is used, and then asked to define this other ideas that would be helped if we forced people to be great.
You admitted that defining those terms will make them susceptible to being seen as not so great, like I pointed out, in the context of force.
This is so funny to me because I feel like I'm debating myself. So I feel as if I'm playing devil's advocate. Like I said before I am not really about the use of violence or extreme force. I believe in leading by example and letting the pack follow. I also believe that if you force something on a person, although they may pick up the idea you forced for a while, they will ultimately go back to their original routine when the influence decreases. However, if you use a small amount of force to start the spark of interest..then at that point you will achieve a greater success rate of conversion. Sometimes people have to be forced to look at something or they would have never looked at it at all. Many opportunities are missed because people don't take the extra step to be persistent but not relentless.
But I do not believe in a society where one puts themselves over the community and still "doesn't believe in some are allowed to do what some are not allowed to do." How can I put myself above the community but still say that I care about what everyone else is allowed to do. With that mindset why would you care what anyone in the community did? Or is it just a battle of "well, he did it too" in the the culture.
The Zomia State does not have a written language and there is still division among the people and it is not a happy utopia that you are, to me, describing. From what I researched, it seems that the social building practices and social ties that the community imposes on it's people is what keeps the structure. In one article I read it stated that, "kinship systems are based on overlapping and redundant relationships that create a strong social network and limit the formalization of power." I will concede that these people did leave many different areas to escape other forms of government, but I still believe they are just follow another rule system that forces them to limit power. In my opinion that is just power being used form a different angle. And division is still present in these lands. The people that do the farming in the valleys consider the people in the mountains, of the already treacherous lands, as primitive and living ancestors.
Nothing is perfect, but it is the method of weighing pros and cons that helps the decision making process. If one does not have goal, then what is one living for? Some systems are more goal oriented and others are made for those who want to simply exist. If you think about it, how many times a day do you have to force yourself to do something because you would rather be doing something that's unproductive or against what you had planned for the day?