Muh stalin/mao/etc
You do realize every single major soical or political change (slavery, breaking free from overlord, civil rights, etc) came about through violent means, right? From freeing slaves to breaking free from colonial powers, to switching from feudalism to capitalism, to getting African-American rights in the USA...must I go on?
Sorry you don't want to go face the truth and fight the good fight, but you need to piss off with that pacifist talk, that is, unless you're secretly a corporate-fascist state-lover, which I don't believe you are.
That illustrates the point... people don't think the same, they don't perceive things the same.
That's because factually speaking, they aren't the same thing.
The Soviets and the like fit up into the mold of fascism perfectly, short of what they told the public.
That means they were fascists.
Unless you're illiterate or ignorant to political philosophy you would understand this regardless of your personal ideology.
The thing about absolutes is they are very RARELY true. It only takes a single example for the entire thing to fall apart. Thus, your use of the word EVERY kind of made that a self defeating statement.
You gave a FEW examples to support your claim. Yet there are so many to choose from that fit that statement that had absolutely nothing to do with violence.
They are happening all of the time. You see violent interactions are heavily frowned upon by law and most people unless it is the governments doing it and then for some reason we give it a free pass.
A lot of social change happens when there is no violence. It happens all around us. I've witnessed huge amounts of it.
Yet by your closing statement you kind of showed the rigidity of your thinking. Already got that you either agree with me or you are ignorant type of statement down. That doesn't work too well here. False dichotomies are pretty easy to spot once you've gotten used to looking for them. It isn't an either/or choice.
Do I have to write a book for you? You gave no examples against my claim, all you did is whine that it's not right because "muh absolutes," in other words a cop-out "I have no argument."
What a class-cuck type of answer that is.
Do you think the feudal kings frowned upon and made it illegal to refuse his tax and rule?
Do you think the slave-owners frowned upon and made it illegal to free the slaves?
And yet you criticize me for providing examples when you provide none.
Great job.
Sorry but facts are facts and if I call brutally raping a woman or a child consensual sex I'm just wrong.
That's you.
You're just wrong if you think the Soviet Union was communist past it's name. It doesn't fit in the mold so it's not communist, just as raping a child to death isn't consensual.
Ad hominem, ad hominem, ad hominem.
Nope just use your brain and think for yourself. Since I guess EVERY SINGLE social change has been due to violence.
Hmmm... social media was violence, acceptance to homosexuality by many people was because they were forced by violence, etc. - Yes I am being sarcastic.
Like I said if you choose to say EVERY you frame your argument as an absolute. All it takes is ONE case to make the statement false. Giving examples of social changes that didn't have anything to do with violence is actually REALLY easy to do. I didn't do it because, I figured you could use your own brain and look around you and think about all the changes that likely have even happened in your life. MOST of those were not at the point of a gun, spear, etc.
Your examples were a few big changes, but they were a FEW examples that yes had big repercussions. Yet many of those it has been debated by some (not me) that they were on the path to being accomplished without violence. Violence can make it fast, yet those that use violence tend to bring their own I'M RIGHT, YOU'RE WRONG type mentality with them and they continue to back that with violence even after their change.
There are a lot more choices than just you being right, and me being wrong. That is actually only 1. I could also be right and you could be wrong. That is 2. We could both be wrong. That is 3. We could both be right about some things. That is 4.
So get off your high horse, it doesn't impress me. Talk civil, and avoid belittling people and indicating they are a cuck or ignorant and you might get some respect and interest. Yet, if that is what you need to resort to then you're not going to get anywhere with me, or others. If you want to change my mind that isn't how to do it. Now if you don't really care about changing minds and it is more about trumpeting your own horn and making yourself feel good then continue as you are.
Thanks for today's inspiration. :)
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Couldn't resist could you?