A question I have asked myself is: will anarchy automatically lead to capitalism? I start to believe that maybe both aren't something like a system. But more like the essence of all human effort. It's all connected. We want to be free. We need money to be free. We only can get money from the community. We can't be free without the community? So it is good to give something back to the community? With everybody understanding these connections, I think, we would have a pretty cool society! :-) Maybe one in which we could even leave all these terms behind us.
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We only "need money" in a city type situation. Back in the day people could grow and or raise their food and trade with others what they could not grow/raise themselves. It wasn't until the tax man threatened(with violence) to take away your owned land that we "needed" money. Sadly now we do. lest the gov lock us away and take our inheritance from our children.
I just want to survive. I don't care to be rich, just as self sufficient as possible. Perhaps helping and receiving help from my neighbors.
That would be lovely... small peaceful communities... but I don't know... I live in a village. And I don't speak with most of the people. Because they fight against each other because of bullshit. I start believing, that peace and freedom will always stay ideals. Because everyone means his own peace and freedom, when talking about it. What we really should mean is peace and freedom of others.
Roughly how big is your village? I'm not really sure what that means in Germany. I've been (not lived) in villages with 30-50 people and small communities with around 100-130 or so people. I know that usually there is always some level of drama amongst the locals. Most of the time it is involving a financial dispute or some variate, or a relationship turned sour.
I haven't answered this one yet. I am not really sure. I guess 1500-2000? But the "inner core" is far smaller. That's where all the drama takes place.
Ahh, that's pretty small. It would seem that the "town center" is always where the drama lives. In big cities it makes it's way out into the suburbs but not to the same extent as the center.
I read you reply again and thought I adres the first thing you say......hope you don't mind.
It's more the other way around. If you have voluntary trade (capitalism) without coercion then that in and of itself IS anarchy. (and that can also be that there is a commune that decide to live the communistic way but every individual has to voluntary want to do that, he/she can not be forced without agreeing)
I give a little example; to make something clear.
Let's say ( in situation A) I mow the lawn for my neighbour and he washes my car (we both agree and decided we are better of) than that is a voluntary trade.
(Situation B)
But lets say he has a car washer profession and he has traded his car washing for money from yet another person, then that is a voluntary trade too. (That other person trade with more car washers)
Situation C
Now let's say he want's his lawn mown and he offers me money that he earned instead of washing my car, and I agree and he agrees than that is a voluntary trade also.
Situation D
If I use that money to offer the money to for instance someone who want to have the money in exchange for washing the windows of my house. Again a voluntary trade. No one was forced to do something he/she did not want to do, and all agreed and wanted to exchange.
That is what is described as; the free market.
Also notice that if I mow the law for my neighbour and he washes my car that there is NO employer and employee or boss and employee.
And this goes for all the situations...even in the second example of my neigbour working for cash doing carwashing as a profession there it's called employer/employee relationship but it's actually only a voluntary trade between my neighbour and the person offering him money. And the same goes for the other two.
Employer Employee are terms that come with statism. Then it's easy to create divisions as rulers.
Wow you took so much time for replying to me! It sounds all good. But it's still difficult for me to imagine, how this all can work in reality. I guess I am living in a quite free country compared to others. I would wish for more and more freedom to come. But in a slow development. Anarchy to me now seems to be, what all human beings wish for in their hearts, often with not even knowing. Maybe this wish will grow stronger and our societies will develop this way.
I think it will take some time ....ah well see.
I don't always do that,but sometimes I have day's that I write such replies ;)
Today is such a day as you might have guessed.
I promise, now I'll stop.........lol
Cheers :)
XD Yeah we can get lost in topics, I am very similar. I wish you a wonderful weekend! See you! I feel honoured. Cheers! :-)
That's right, i believe. Both are not a system.
It's more like a description of interactions in reality.
That is indeed so. But using violence or the thread of violence to make people do that, only add violence, it doesn't add good.
I agree.
The making people understand part, takes communication and asking, doing suggestions for a better world.
I agree. I guess the terms are used for communicating ideas and what those ideas mean in reality. Maybe something like the Non aggression principle or the golden rule will be understood in the future in such a way that the words are no more needed. But let say that the word slavery was never "made" then we could not have communicated about that and at some point determine what it is or have the concept that slavery is evil, and maybe we should not do that anymore.
We can solve problems with words which otherwise would turn into conflict and violence.
Yes words can enslave, but they can also be used to free us.
This is a video ( from Stefan molyneux form before he turned back to statism) about words maybe you like it.
Thank you for the reply :)
Oh man, this is why I can't ever get a post written. You all are far to interesting to read and respond to. (unlike the likes of facebook) at this rate I'll never finnish my book. lol