It doesn't even fucking matter what happens to this idiot. What matters is that PALnet has chosen as their first step in enforcement to suddenly create rules and enforce them at the same instant. They will probably do the same thing in the future. This matters. This is the same shit being pulled by other centralized systems on the net. There is a reason people are rallying against them. Common decency demands a clear set of rules, rules on enforcement and consequences, etc. There also needs to be a way to explain yourself. Right now nothing is clear. We don't know what rules they might make in the future. We don't know if they decide to mute someone for something if it will have any end, or if it will be eternal damnation and removal from earning on the network for a single infraction.
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If people are making death threats on youtube and these other places you are speaking of I hope they are getting pulled down. That isn't what is happening on the internet right now. People are getting de-platformed which is totally different then a online threat. You are equating two different things.
there was NO death threatin this instance but there were lots from the people accusing this person ofa death threat
i feel like im watching mainstream news here how they turn everything upside down
these truly pathetic waste of skin for subhumans
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No, I am not. They are enforcing rules that did not exist when they were broken, with no recourse. What rules are they going to create in the future? Sure, this asshole won't get many defenders, but this is literally the first step that they've made. We have no idea what the rules will be in the future, and won't until they mute someone else, who they decided to extend the rules to get rid of.
What people have a problem with on YouTube and Twitter and Facebook is that the rules are not clear, and there's no recourse. People don't know what's allowed, and when there's enforcement, the hammer just comes down, and there's no clear way to do anything about it. You just send an email and hope.
Ok, so maybe they should have been put up first. There is no re-course for online threats. There shouldn't be.
Twitter & Youtube have policies on doxxing and death threats. This isn't anything new. No reason PAL shouldn't have the same system in place. These are just common sense things.
Twitter & Youtube big mistakes are de-platforming people based on believes, politically , or whatever it might be . That is way different . In other words, they aren't the same thing. One is well known to be policed, the other isn't right and is totally wrong to do people.
There shouldn't be any recourse for threats or violence. Is that what your saying?
That's an opinion...that may or may not be true. YouTube has been demonetizing for a long time based on unclear rules. People don't know why they got demonetized, and don't know what to do once they are. They can click a little button to have it reviewed...and sometimes it gets reversed...then demonetized again in some cases. Basically no one knows why. They don't know the rules.
The rules were also recently changed...and suddenly people saw their videos deleted, demonetized, and in some cases, their accounts banned. They were punished for rules that didn't exist when they broke them.
I don't oppose online communities making rules...but I do have a problem with blunders in the enforcement of them.
One of the problems is that those policies are enforced arbitrarily, per political affiliation. That is the real problem with the action under discussion here. Since there is a centralized authority in PAL that can arbitrarily take action at their sole option, the political views of that party will be reflected in the actions taken. You may be in their good graces today. You may not. Who 'they' are, and what their politics are, can change at any moment.
That's a guarantee of arbitrary power. It may not be of existential import to us today, but that doesn't mean it's welcome news. PAL is free to exercise their power over their community as they see fit, and always will be. The real problem today is the lack of competing communities that folks can use instead.
In the real world there are definitely posters that are able to threaten violence without recourse. They have enough power to control the media they post on. John Bolton is a good example of this.
Hopefully time will solve that problem by enabling enough communities so that all people are able to speak their minds freely. PAL is a step forward, but this action reveals that's but one step on a long journey.
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Yeah where is the warning, oh nope too late! Making an example out of me to spawn fear in their Orwellian landscape they are creating. calling the police! sheesh!
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don’t refer to me as an asshole you fuckin teat!
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i dont think your an asshole
you have these jerkoffs lobbying peole there to get rid of you soi totally understand your position
in saying that i agree with everything geek says exxcep tthe asshole part
keep your headup and it looks like jerkoff beanie and delusional marky are going to have pull on palnet ifthey are responsible for this
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Yeah they all have been harassing me, berny actually threatened me!
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bernie said he was going to put a bullet in my head and i told him i will give him the chance if i ever make it to the USS of A
he is allowed to threaten anyone its us that dont get the same rights lol
cheers and i dont think you will be able to sue anyone but the best of luck to ya on that
you will be allowed back on palnet dude
beanie will have to get kicked off of there also if you got kicked off or palnet will be no better than steem with double standards
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that was not even a death threat.
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i would kill you is NOT i am going to kill you lol
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"Would:" is not going to!
Seriously learn english?
I would go to the statue of liberty is not the same as
I am going to the statue of liberty, get my drift! There is always a way to phrase things legally, I 'm no fool! You are!
It is just expressing the conditional mood, conditional?? Did you go to school, I sure did I have a college degree!
Would + Could does not = WILL! dumby!
should have read what you posted before i replied i just said the same thing
this is beanie/markys doing is what i believe somewhere down the line
if not directly then indirectly for sure
keep your head up and you know better english than most of the people in america lol
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Don't take this personally I don't think you are well my friend. Maybe , take a break ? get a dog , go play with yourself do something different.
Would means you "WOULD" like to kill someone which is the definition of a threat lol...
again WOULD does not mean WILL or IS
i think you are the one who needs to look in the mirror or dictionary ad probably both
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Shut up and fuck off FOAD! That is not a threat! Don't reply to me ever again. Also don't vote for me. STEEMIT is the one not well, and same as you if you cannot understand what I am talking about! IDK, go to hell bitch! I'm a troll, don't feed the trolls! Yup, I took it personally!
So what if I would kill you, I don't know yu, know where3 you live, or anything like that? I don't know @gtg, I am not even in the US, how could I do anything. IDK you all can play these games!
I would flag you if I could! That is not a real threat.
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i did not make a death threat, was just trolling him. What else would be left for me at this point? I see this kind of blocking just getting worse from here in out!
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NOTE: This account @swelker101 keeps threatening me! @aggroad thanks! Can you please block him from flagging me, that is not fair!
My vote does not work on him, why should his vote work on me???
https://www.palnet.io/steempress/@swelker101/ptzcl7
Here is my letter to our Leader!
Hope she can help us all!
Hi @elipowell, this guy keeps threatening me, trying to antagonize me after I said I would not flag or bother anyone anymore if he/they stop!
I will stop flagging innocent comments, however when I see @swelker101 flagging me every time it makes me want to retalliate!
Today they DDOS my replies on steemit so I can't see them!
It is totally obvious which accounts to ban/block! Please for everybody!
Follow @coininstant for more!
NOTE: This account @swelker101 keeps threatening me! @aggroad thanks! Can you please block him from flagging me, that is not fair!
My vote does not work on him, why should his vote work on me???
https://www.palnet.io/steempress/@swelker101/ptzcl7
Here is my letter to our Leader!
Hope she can help us all!
Hi @elipowell, this guy keeps threatening me, trying to antagonize me after I said I would not flag or bother anyone anymore if he/they stop!
I will stop flagging innocent comments, however when I see @swelker101 flagging me every time it makes me want to retalliate!
Today they DDOS my replies on steemit so I can't see them!
It is totally obvious which accounts to ban/block! Please for everybody!
Follow @coininstant for more!
Dear @geekpowered
It's very hard to argue with you. This surely is raising some red flags, because it simply shows their mindset.
Yours
Piotr
You are quite correct IMHO. The rules that have been provided are pretty vague, and that's probably never going to be completely solved either.
PAL certainly needs to be able to solve problems, and all communities do. The best solution to this particular problem is more communities IMHO. There are far worse mechanisms than what PAL has undertaken here, and more than communities are going to be necessary to enable actual freedom of speech to exist online, particularly mesh networks that enable people to reach the internet without being able to be cut off completely.
The solution to too much freedom is more freedom.
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