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good ideas don't require force.

I would argue that most good ideas need at least a nudge, and often much more. For example, I have influenced some big changes in my workplace by implementing carefully planned influence campaigns, and on a more personal level, spent quite a bit of energy pushing for a neighborhood block party that is now self-sustaining institution. Passivity often leads to the status quo dominating how things are done.

well that is what the whole platform is built on, promotion, of either content, ideas or invention. its a double edged sword because promotion tends to rely on money and influence. hence, we have people in public office not because they are necessarily the most qualified - merely the most willing to pay for the position.

does that mean you condone force?

Force is a fairly abstract term. But to get technical, given that any force elicits an opposite force, I find that is not usually beneficial. I am a believer in Gradual Progress, which is more about engaging in an appropriate amount of action in any given situation. I don't think you can force change. But presenting ideas like the ones in this post, in my opinion, is more in line with what I believe is an important part of any social evolution.

yes or no would do.

but they do require thought, planning and discussion. all i am doing here is trying to start a peaceful discussion.

there you go....have a nice day.
as for me...I've been here almost two years.
I started with nothing.
I'm perfectly happy with the way it is.