CryptoSpace, Blockchains, De-Centralised versus Centralised, Lower need for Authorities, Anonymity. Seems all good, right?
What about abuse of Copyright Laws? Hollywood Movies; Blockbusters?
Recently, I've been zooming in a bit on events at Steemit that may harm the service, maybe even the company - Steemit INC - that launched the blockchain and cryptocoin Steem, as well as the 'owner' of the user interface most of us are using 'Steemit'.
De-Centralised Video Platforms
Now a bit more than one year after the berth of Steemit, de-centralised video platforms are emerging. Outside Steemit, but also several new ones from inside the community. How cool is this, right? No need for YouTube or Vimeo anymore to host our video files, but new de-centralised operated and managed video platforms. No dependences of centralised defined policies.
But something scary is happening as we speak. Whilst the de-centralisation is trying to take the middle man out of the game for artists to offer and sell their work and allow the artist being paid for their content and work directly by the consumer, It doesn't mean the artists content shall not be protected under copyright laws.
The recently launched DTube (here) is a YouTube look alike video platform allowing uploads, storage, and viewing within the DTube platform and direct sharing of these video files directly on Steemit. It is a well integrated service with the Steem Blockchain and the Steemit User Interface. All good, when the videos we upload is original content or carry some indication that it is free to use for commercial application (under the Creative Comms licenses for instance). But what when people start to upload Hollywood movies and series, and share this on the Steem blockchain?
Hollywood Takes De-centralised platform down
Unlike the music industry, the movie industry is fierce with regard to abuse of copyright laws for their products. The fight against piracy is one with lots of powers behind it and has the ability to take down de-centralised networks like the many torrent networks it already took down in varies places of the world. I do not think this will be different to de-centralised networks like Steem with its users interface like Steemit, Busy.org and more.
Uploading and Spreading copyrighted Hollywood movies can become very harmful for the future of Steemit and Steem as a currency! That is my firm believe! And I think we shall prevent this from happening. How de-centralised Steem is; How anonymous we as users may seem to be; The authorities showed in the past they are able to find them, and take them down!
Blockbusters Uploaded to DTube and Published on Steem/Steemit
5 Days ago an Steemit account was create with the name "ipfs-movies" and an initial Hollywood movie was uploaded at DTube and shared as a post on Steemit. Within 30 minutes this account was flagged to a REP below zero, by @dan, the former CTO of Steemit Inc. It is not clear to me what the exact reason was for @dan to flag this post 1) was it the pending rewards that was already at more than 160$, 2) was it the spreading of copyright material on Steemit? No activities on this account anymore.
BUT...
Within 24 hours, a new account was created on the Steem Blockchain with the name "chainflix". Since then, this account is posting more than 5 Hollywood blockbusters per day. Surely, some of those movies are very good ones, but I think this account is bringing the future of Steem and Steemit Inc in danger, in big danger! We do not want the authorities, Hollywood producers and all to come after Steem and Steemit because the platform is actively contributing to violate copyright laws.
Am I Wrong?
Maybe I'm wrong here, therefore I first of all like to get your opinion on uploading copyright materials to platforms like DTube, and sharing that content on the Steem blockchain.
- Do you think DTube and Steem/Steemit can get away with such practises?
- Do you think DTube and Steem/Steemit shall prevent such practises?
@ned? @zurvanic? @andrarchy? @sneak?
And what is your opinion @dan?
I wrote about this very thing a few days ago and the response was both encouraging and discouraging. The people uploading really feel justified in uploading the content and really do not give a shit about the Steem ecosystem, but there were quite a few people who expressed their disapproval of the practice.
We might want to consider getting enough people ona guild of sorts to aggregate enough Steem power to downvote these films into oblivion so the monetary incentive is removed.
I have started downvoting. This is not how Steem works. We have a plagiarism bot, Cheetah, designed to prevent people from stealing work. This uploading of hollywood videos is a sure way to get Steem destroyed. Hollywood has huge guns to bring lawsuits
for sure.. we have to watch this as you are doing. The main difference here is that there is a genuine effort to stop this happening on Steemit... Where as torrent sites were really meant for sharing copyrighted materials.
IF we look on the positive / bright side.. rather than spending money on law suits. the big movie companies can just buy some Steem Power and flag everything themselves!. Much easier job that way ;-)
ha ha!!!!! There are other sites, like Tor sites where people like @chainflix can make a home. We are about original content, not profiting from other people's work. People think "oh, cool, decentralized....so no rules..." That is not the way it is, we follow copyright rules. Duh
Hmmm, one issue I've just noticed is that despite the oblivion flagging the videos are still up and definitely viewable on dtube. That's a big issue, we can flag all we want but if the content is still up and viewable the big companies won't like it, even if it is "hidden due to low ratings"
maybe there will have to be a change one day where flagging to Zero causes the video to not show at all. will obviously be potential problem for censorship / abuse.. but there may be little choice if people are irresponsible..
also lets not forget that if all rewards are taken back from the video that may also be enough to curb the issue
Agree; however, abuse on both sides will always be a risk. Copyright owners may very well start flagging campaigns against people posting videos that have concepts similar to existing or upcoming movie themes, etc, etc.
Killing an account does not stop serial offenders as we see this in other aspects of our society; however, we may deter their participation in the platform.
The blockchain is meant to be immutable (a concept I with which I agree) - in the same manner society knows that a wrongdoing by an individual cannot be undone.
This is very much a values issue - what does the Steemit and DTube community see as right and wrong. Every day members of the community get to vote democratically on all manner of posts, equally we have the opportunity to encourage a change in attitude/s for the better. This system provides a better option than many have with their own governments, be they democratic, socialist, communist or any other persuasion.
Flag them to zero and stop the post or video from being seen/accessed.
For some reason, I flagged meep and it gave you a flag. Musta been lag. Please disregard if you see it in the blockchain, meant to upvote.
meep
I totally agree man. But then, we have to watch our backs. There will always be the risk with sites such as this that people jump onto the space and start sharing product they don't own for votes.
I get your point though. Something worth thinking about.
meep
That's actually a brilliant idea. If this ever does become an issue that the big movie companies take notice of, I'm sure the community could convince them to spend even just a fraction of what they would on lawer fees to simply start a Steemit account and flag the offender into oblivion. The only downside to this is that it would also give said company a lot of power on a decentralized platform, but it's better than Steemit getting destroyed I guess.
glad u agree! i also thought,. nice idea! better to work with the bit shots then against them.. whenever possible!
Much more fun for us all to just let them have a flagging war.. great for the reward pool too.. its win-win situation!
Great idea, you should make a post on it!
dude this is just giving powers a back entrance into the whole game,.
( Nina Paley)
Hmm, maybe we should let that happen rather sooner than later? If you are convinced :)
I've seen people finding ways around Cheetah. Cheetah is text-based, so it only finds text-based plagiarism. If you hide your piracy in video or images, you avoid Cheetah.
Perhaps we could at least de-monetize (reward-decline) copyright material via some sort of automated flagging? That would be a start.
It'll take a lot of voting power to flag out "The Matrix" in this neighborhood.
I threw in the voting power I could spare.
I managed to hide "Happy Gilmore". That's a service to everybody, I think.
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Removing the rewards by Steemians is required in my opinion as well, I fully agree with you here. This gives at least some power on Steem/Steemit side to counter any authority claiming Steemit/Steem is infringing copyright laws.
Here's the link to the account uploading copyrighted Hollywood films: https://steemit.com/@chainflix
Please begin flagging.
Thank you for sharing this link. I agree, we shall start flagging. I will use my minimal power as well on some of the uploads.
Is there some kind of automated response built in, such as if a post reaches X amount of flags it is automatically looked at by admin? Surely large volume of flags should cause a post to be reviewed / removed?
Hollywood movies: @chainflix
Music videos: @musicbox
Animation: @cartoontv
Destroying Steemit just to make a quick buck.
This needs to stop. ASAP.
Musicbox was new to me. Music may not be that a big an issue IMHO.
There is also some account uploading copyright porn.
Thanks for your comment.
I've published a followon post today with how the community is acting wrt these accounts/channels.
Basically all the porn posted is copyrighted.
I posted about considering requiring verification for nsfw posts, because almost none of them are legitimate.
Ok will read your post!
Here is part 1:
Note: it is not an uplifting post. You might want to just skip it, frankly.
https://steemit.com/steemit/@lexiconical/should-nsfw-content-require-verification-for-copyright-plagiarism-and-reposts-in-new-created-part-1-of-2
Some populistic thoughts:
I see the problem and I am on your side, this could (and pobably will) harm steemit.
But really: WHO whould have thought for one second that this kind of things will not happen?
One of the first things I thought was... NICE the big enterprises like paramount, disney and all these Hollywood craps could buy into steemit and flag the sh++t out of these guys while pushing steemprice to the moon ;-)
The next thought was:
Nope. Will not happen. They will probably sue steemit and / or d-tube resulting in a gray zone / legal war like with megaupload several years ago.
A lot of publicity will result... nice (possibly... or not. Megaupload was dead after that)
Actually I think we have to redefine what intellectual property is and how it should/could be monetarized. Steemit is one of the needles in the flesh of the giant, driving this thought process forward.
Your latter thought is exactly what would happen. The blockchain is the enemy of corporatocracy thus far and is undermining regulations already. They'd love an excuse.
Would you like a spatula? For your bunghole?
I do understand your views. What happens here maybe a driver to redefine copyright. But am not sure if it is done at the right time. The movie industry is becoming more fierce in fighting copyright abuse, so as you suggested as well, the movie industry will very likely fight what is now happening here at Steemit through the court system and demand the discontinuation of the service and blockchain.
What I simple do not understand is that fact that DTube and I think also View/ly do not seem to have any T&C stating that uploading and publishing of copyrighted material is not allowed. This is something that IS addressed with a service like LBRY as far as I know. For sure, this may not prevent uploading of copyright materials, but it shall start with telling the uploaders to stick to the existing laws. This is where the harm already starts; Creators and owners of services not thinking what they are doing. Subsequently this leeds to what we are now see happening; Abuse of the law and now in a industry where the 'authorities' have no mercy.
We will see how "strong" the actual decentralizing works against these laws. Imho you are right about that the timing is not really good. Would be some kind of different if there were REAL decentraliziation and millions of users.
When de-centralised would be implemented with many nods running the network, maybe 1.000, across the whole world, and no centralised tools are used to execute the prime services (like the UIs), then it could be something that is very difficult to take down. But then again, the authorities could start by the users, to take them doen one by one when the eg consumer copyrighted material that is uploaded and published outside the law. When that is fought hard, other users may stop such behaviour, or may leave the service and go somewhere else. The later would be the death of Steemit and Steem.
NO WE DO NOT UPLOAD COPYRIGHT HOLLYWOOD MOVIES!
This is insane and should be immediately dealt with. Hollywood will bring it down instantly, through mainstream media. We need to act as a giant immune system and flush this out before anything horrible happens. Thanks to you....also, there is a child pornographer now on Steemit! @iamgod. please let us show the child pornographer that we will not tolerate this.
I 100% agree with you! Hollywood is very powerful and we do not want them to go against what we are building here! WOW, didnt know of child pornography also in our midst! This shall be prevented somehow.
I have emailed Ned about the child pornography! I feel disgusted right now....as i had to flag the child porn.
Super you email Ned! I'll email Ned on chainflix. Not sure of he gets the notification through my post. He shall be aware of it for sure.
I don't see anyway how can this be prevented. People who would love to see Steem being close would just have to post copyrighted material and then create a law suit.
I don't see it as making Steem liable, maybe dtube could be seen as liable but I don't think so either.
Most of the time torrent websites get closed because they don't comply to taking down some material but dtube can't do this. Dtube could be seen as facilitating piracy but their technology is neutral.
Then again dtube will have to comply to take down notice just like Steemit Inc is meaning they will have to remove certain content from showing on their website if the authorities ask them.
I dont think the authorities will care about the fat it is not possible to remove content from the blockchain to be honest. As you say, maybe they are ok for the blockchain/services to prevent showing copyright material to the user, maybe this shall be build into the blockchain API as well, so that no frontend is able to get to content anymore that is required to be blacklisted/taken-offline by the authorities.
I guess this was bound to happen. From a legal standpoint i'm unsure. It makes me think of how people use apps on Kodi such as Exodus to watch free movies. Kodi simply provides the open source media player. What people do with it is another matter. There has been a recent uproar over Kodi in the UK. But from what I have read it's been very hard to prosecute anyone. It did cause some companies in that area to shut down though.
There are so many ways for people to get free movies now. Hopefully we can make it as unprofitable as possible and they will move on.
The issue to me is - This not what steemit is about. Steemit has always been against plagiarism and the use of copyrighted material. Being decentralized it becomes a community issue to flag these into oblivion. So thanks for the great post.
i think on EU level recently they made some new rules/laws against those services such as Kodi. Even if it is difficult to fight them, in the past networks like Napster was taken down. Taking down a service may not be done through taking down the network itself, but with enough marketing power, the users may simply walk away and causes the service to stop because of the low use of it. When Hollywood wants, it can take down Steemit and Steem as a currency through such approach; In the USA a news network can make and break services, companies and individuals, as proven by past experiences and events.
I was literally writing a thread about this last night that I was going to publish today. There seem to be no end of people publishing licensed content on Dtube and even the big whales seem to be supporting this. I noticed an account on the trending pages that wants to upload a bunch of licensed cartoons and has already uploaded an episode of Rick and Morty. Meanwhile The Matrix and The Dark Knight Rises have already earned someone money.
As much as we are against plagiarized content on Steemit it seems like we are just allowing it on Dtube without even a second thought.
It's harmful for the platform and you're right.... we need to be giving it a second thought and a third thought so that people stop doing it. With the price of Steem not high right now we need to do everything in our power to fix it and fix our platform.
Absolutely we need to think twice before we take rights away from the original content owners and even start earning money while doing so. Luckily some of our Steemians got alerted through this post or in some other way and started flagging the uploads by chainflix. Most of them are now with zero rewards. At least something, and a strong signal to those who want to continue uploading copyright materials to DTube and other video platform closely linked with the Steem blockchain and Steemit service.
you are correct in your analysis of the problem. posting copyrighted material without permission is what finally brought down napster and it won't be any different here. the mpaa is vicious about protecting their members and their product
Thank you for sharing your views, I fully agree with you the MPAA and what they can do against platform like ours when we do not obey their rules.
I've just checked this chainflix blog, despite the flagging, it is still getting support and from whales too! How can steemians support this? This should not be allowed as this is complete plagiarism and can affect the platform one day.
Some have interesting arguments why it is not bad, or at least why this shall not be stopped right now. Just published my followup post in which I go into a bit more details what is done, and how I look at things. As well as update on what I've done last 24 hours and what reactions I got. At least one whales is upvoting of which I know he is generally voting for the right cause, whether this be downvoting or upvoting to counter downvotes; In this case he counters the downvotes as far as I know his work he does in our community.
I share you the same concer my friend, here is my related story:
https://steemit.com/dtube/@malekalmsaddi/making-fortunes-by-abusing-steemit-through-dtube-video
Most of the reward come from one account, very likely the account owning chainflix. Check steemd from its first entry and also check the ipfs-movies steemd. CartoonTV is not different to that. Maybe other account as well.
chainflix is a fake account, which in my opinion belong to a whale..
my concern is not this account, but it's that this kind of chainflix account will become a phenomena before we know it.
What is fake and what is not, is they question. An individual having two or more accounts is essentially ok for me. It may support separating content, since we cannot create communities, and best is for channels to work is to create verticals per topic. I personally have not problem with someone having multiple accounts. I do have a problem with those who claim they are new, whilst they are not. In case of chainflix there is no hard proof who owns the account, but their is circumstantial evidence though.
Good post @edje. As much as I would love to watch these movies for free, you're completely right that this could ruin the platform. Not only its reputation, but also from attacks from Hollywood. I know a big plus of Steemit is to avoid censorship, but when copyright material is being used, we should have someone able to shut down an account and remove the material.
I absolutely agree. Although shutting down an account, does not prevent things from happening again as shown by ifps-movie being flagged to REP lower than zero and the establishment of the chainflix account just a moment later by the same Steemian, that I'm pretty sure about, although proof is difficult since ANONSTEEM was used. But looking at who upvoted immediately the Matrix movie published with ifps-movie (https://steemd.com/@ipfs-movies) and who plays with its votes with most of the movies published with chainflix https://steemd.com/@chainflix, it seems to be the same Steemit account behind it.
we have to continue being vigilant as a community, and speaking up with things go wrong...
Fully Agree!
10000% agreed !
Yeah, that's a tough one. Like flagging all of the spammers and plagiarists, it could simply become "Dweilen met de kraan open"!
That indeed may be the case; Maybe we should stack up on many 'Dweil's' :)
Sounds like a plan! :D
Thank you for pointing this out. I have down voted all possible posts in the account.
Seems like a cheetah bot or something that could down vote this type of thing would be very handy. Would have to be kinda precise so as not to mess with okay content.
Thank you for your support in fighting this threat to our blockchain and community. It would indeed be great if some bot could help us; I'm no engineer, but I think it'll very difficult to make such detection and decision if content is copyrighted or not very difficult. Maybe a bot can help in identifying potential harm, after which a human based team takes the possible harmful posts into further research and handle accordingly.
Copyright laws are archaic and really serve no purpose. Is anyone griping about the copying and streaming of music to smartphones? I think not. There is a movement here in the US to have these frivolous copyright issues fixed by putting time limits on intellectual property.
I for one hope it goes through, maybe we'll get better entertainment out of Hollyweird.
A time limit to IP could be a good solution for digital content, that gives the content creator/owner the opportunity to monetise while it also allows re-publishing and re-use of the content to increase value and/or drive new value without to fear a strong arm (after a set time, eg 1 year). Makes sense such ruling and more or less in line how this is arranged in current laws for eg physical art, I think in Europe we have the rule that after 75 years of dead of the artist, the IP on art is automatically removed.
Hear in the US there also time limits pertaining to various forms of media. The more obvious that many heard about is in the music field.
This is horrible. This is my suggestion of what we can do to stop this before it gets too far;
We could create a Discord channel, consisting of whales and other Steemians that are fighting for the continuity of Steemit. Then any of the posts that are seen plagiarizing or flouting copyright laws will be shared there.
As a manner of checks and balances, after its been shared, it needs the go-ahead of 3 whales/moderators, and then its off to the downvote races!
It might be a lot of work, but if we all band together and push this initiative, then we can discourage and ultimately stop these people before they destroy what we love.
I like your thinking, great some kind of team. Fact around this chinflix thing is that some whales places counter votes against the flags, and then I'm talking about whales that are generally doing good stuff on Steemit wrt flagging. There arguments is very simple. IP/Copyright laws are shit. They also can say: DTube, Steem is doing nothing wrong, the uploader/publishers is, so it his choose to do so (anarchist thinking).
I guess they can just be straight up asked if they're willing to actually go against what's being done.
IMHO, I'd hate if someone stole my blood, sweat and tears and proceeded to give it out for free or even make profit off of it, so I'm fully behind copyright laws.
And as for anarchism, lol, I'm kind of a fan of law and order, being a law student and all 😂😂
I did ask straight up this question to 1) the creator and owner of DTube and 2) a whales who upvoted (he told me that it is the decentralised world, and he never answered my question for the exact reasons for the upvote 1) to counter the downvotes 2) not only to counter the downvotes but also to give it rewards...I actually still think it is option 1 since I know this whale usually very fair downvoting all sort of stuff on Steemit what is clear abuse). Now it also seems the creator of DTube, opened an new account at Steemit uploading copyright Hollywood owned materials. This is not chainflix, but yet another account. Discovered that today only.
ive been dragged into @cartoontv as I was one of the first people to resteem and support them, is this an example of a spam bot? i think its just a real old person sharing cartoons on the only platform they know. and personally i do not agree with copyright laws at all they dont not benefit anyone so i will continue to support them, what's your opinion on it all?
Also i saw someone post these ealier , i liked the ideas ,.
( Nina Paley)
I expressed my views in the posts as well as in my followup posts (here). In summary: I'm not against sharing copyright material, but for sure a reference the owner of the content always needs to be made. The issues is this: digital artists can always be copied when the sell there content through the Internet, allowing everybody to copy without the artists being paid, means these artists will have to stop selling their content on the internet, and will have to start giving their result in a none-digital way to their customer. Otherwise in the most extreme case, these artist will not make any money. On the other hand, artists are publishing their copyright content on the Internet for marketing purposes, like I mentioned about the music artist in the electronic dance music segment (not all, but quite a few). For that type of content, I think you will help these artists when sharing their work. Then there is the question of: Sharing material of others for profit or non-profit: in Steemit terms: with payout or without payout. Also here you can argue that for some copyright material it is ok to get (some) money for it, however for other material it is not. In the end, it is all about fairness, and what the initial intention of the artists was when having their content on the Internet. Therefore this becomes a very difficult topic to handle with a single rule IMHO.
I agree, I just resteemed the stuff and sent the dude like 5 steem and all of a sudden im dragged into this place where in reality its no ones say what this fella wants to do, I do know that dtube doesnt offer a demonetize upload option however, so its a sticky situation for everyone involved.
ill read your post and probably reply in a bit to it, but the other thing i wanna say is you can go to youtube and get 100 differnt versions of every one of these cartoons the only difference is youtube is getting ALL the proceeds, I think this @cartoontv guy was smart but got scared off by people like @skeptic and the rest of the naieve community, its all art, share it all in my opinion, maybe the people supressing the actual open market of the internet are google activists and freedom supressors lol dont be afraid of the authorities @cartoontv bring us more bugs bunny!!!
I'm not sure about the details, but in general platform hosting copyright material uploaded by others are more or less save, but I also know that Hollywood can demand to remove content. When this is not possible, we may have an issue. Read this post here and my comment to that post here.
hmm maybe humanity will be at a turning point, no one trusts mainstream media , and can access and promote whatever art we want, god knows everything we pay to watch is absolute mind trash,
How in your view will digital artist be able to make their money, when by default everything is allowed to by copied? I'm very much open for discussions here. Music producers generally perform, so you can argue they shall perform and make their money like that. Movies, they can earn their money with cinema and TV (as ling as that exists, since when no copyright laws, netflix and the likes dont have to pay anymore and will copy as well without the owner of the movie to be paid). But what about the artists who make digital paintings and sell them online? We must find solutions, since when artists do not get paid anymore, they will stopmaking art, most of them since everybody needs to earn money to pay for housing and food at least.
have you met many artists, we don't get paid, very very few do, because we make music and art for the idea of spreading culture, its not about making money. we all have what we have and make do with what we have, if it is something truly worthy to be called art, then then money isnt insentive, tbh, if someone took a tune of mine and coverd it busking to make enough money to buy a bag of grass so be it, i'm not a centralized idea owning person, this is a giant sandbox playground, enjoy it, or dont. haha :)
Ironically, the surge in publicity that may come with an (otherwise bad) crackdown on dtube copyright could actually be a significant silver lining.
Yep, bad press is also good press. But what will we get into our community? Those who want to do the same to get to rewards, and watch free movies. The music channel is not so popular, and looking at the very first post, it is the same whale again who owns it. I have no proof, but the circumstantial evidence is pretty solid.
Don't get me wrong, I went over and threw in my flagging power. That was just a random thought I decide d to throw out there.
I realise, but may the authorities are not able to take the network down, but for sure we need to prevent to big powers to come after Steem, and with the Hollywood Blockbusters, it is bound to happen.
I also done some downvoting and still recovering from that in VP, but it seems more upvotes are coming in, also from whales other then the one who started all of this. I wrote about that in the post I published today. Steemd is such a good tool to figure out what actually happens. I still am wondering what will happen just before payout time of the posts, that mark is soon for the three accounts.
I noticed the payout time was close too.
I noticed one big voter was thejohalfiles. I've written about this particular whale's voting pattern before (it's for a lot of spam/junk/reposts) in my bookingteam coverage. I think it might be on autovote somewhere, though, like streemian.Retracted, I remembered the wrong name. Apologies, see below for additional info.
Check Steemd.com. My suspicion he is the account owner of all three of them: chainflix, cartoontv and musicbox. Check also ipfs-movies, only one movie, but that is where it all started. When you go through steemd.com for those account you will get another impression of this whale and that it may not be auto voting.
I'd like to retract my previous statement, I was remembering names wrong. thejohalfiles had nothing to do with my previous article. it was a few other whales involved.
(Also I think s/he's voted on some of my articles, for full disclosure.)
Previous article I misremembered names from:
https://steemit.com/curation/@lexiconical/exposing-advertiser-circle-jerks-in-trending-reward-pool-rape-and-bookingteam-com
Maybe we need some Know Your Customer (KYC) rules for account creation. Personally, I have no issue providing my ID to get an account on Steemit.com and I think it could really legitimize the platform.
The fact that anyone person can create as many accounts as they want is at the core of the problem and something needs to be done to stop people from abusing the system this way.
The ID thinkg is something I addressed some time back as well. Although I would not have a problem with that at all, many Steemians do not want to share their ID; Most of the Steemians seem to want to be anonymous. Even with ID verification, anonymity towards the community can be preserved, through eg a third party ID verification service. But that would be more or less a centralised organisation to which the authorities will have access, when they need/want, making the individuals not anonymous. However, you and I would not know who we really are in real life.
Very valid concern, thanks for bringing it up.
I would not say that the music industry isn't fierce they are downright stupid about copyright laws, I am not sure exactly what steps they take now, if they've calmed down since the napster days it must be because theyve brainwashed so many people to use itunes and spotify instead of torrents.
The big players in the music industry decided some time back they lift the copyright protection on eg CDs. And streaming services like Spotify, TIDAL helps for artists to still get some money from their works. The movie industry however, is entirely different, they enforced more rules against piracy and the industry has many copyright solutions out in the market while also the call is made to come up with a world standard.
Hollywood movies, or any copyright infringement should not be allowed. Neither should child porn.
I am a video content creator. I see the need for a better reward system for video content creators. But I don't want my content mixed with child porn or be in danger of the platform I am using having bad credibility.
Thanks for highlighting this problem
Thank you for your feedback, and I fully agree with you.
No surprise to me that this would happen. Uploading those movies on DTube is the easy way and a lot among us want to have the cash rolling as fast as possible.
It didn't surprise me also to be brutally honest. However, it does surprise me the owners of DTube allowing this to happen, I didn't see them making any indication uploading copyrighted material is prohibited. That fact amazes me and by the, dong so, they show no respect for others since having such tight integration with Steem and Steemit, this may harm the blockchain and service that they use as one of their prime channels to promoter their video content.
1 solution:
Steemywood
:D
Assuming you mean, new production especially created for Steem; I would salut e and support that. How could would that be? It'll be a big collaboration between Steemians. Interestingly, some Steemians launched a project in which they want to kickstart Steemywood. Check this one out: @hardfork-series
yes! and others too started similar projects.. it should be like youtube with a max of 10/15 min uploads and allegedly personal videos only, any other copyrighted content should be flagged and brought down by fighters like @spaminator and company, some bots and ultimately if some entity, company or person feel like his content is being robbed then he should report to these guys and expect the content removed. I don't know how ytube does but it will not monetize or even upload copyr. contents, some powerful logarythms there...in the end bringing down the site is absurd and so early 2000s :)..I mean you don't see youtube going down for a bad uploader do you? the uploader pays for that!! also at some point users must be certified like youtube did with a small "ticked off" sign next to the user name this would tackle the major problem that are bots and it can be done using :captcha street signs" type of security once for every post..this will not only reduce the bots activity but it will discourage bad users from even thinking about it...leaving every thing out in the open is the major threat to decenrtaworld!
Thans for sharing your thoughts. Taking down a service can also be done by bad press, with the users running away. Uploaders are in the end the ones that violate the laws indeed. Question is though: when the platform itself does not support preventing and detection of copyright material illegally uploaded and stored on their platform, how 'guilty' they are as well. I only know that Hollywood is very strong. The history shows how strong they are with multiple torrent networks taken down. Today varies Steemians reacted in flagging chainflix posts, which gives a good signal to the community in my opinion and I appreciate their efforts to fight for a fair and honest community. Your suggestion for bots to help, I do agree with. I suppose we are not there yet wrt powerful detection algorithm like YouTube seem to have, but it would be great if we (including Steemit INC) can start thinking about how to materialise something like that.
yea.... If only I knew a yt insider lol hopefully we could tackle the problem before the site goes down and frankly re-opens with a diff name and better regulations but...reputation damage irreversible even amplified to oblivion by mainstream...so hope and luck be with us!
I hope with you, although I generally do not believe in hope to turn reality. In parallel to hope, we have to act :)
I was actually chocked to discover this. I am happy to see in the comments that many are reacting in a positive way! It is also making money on the work of others. This is not acceptable!
Thank you for your feedback. I also appreciate it very much many people in the community is in agreement as per comments and even more as per actions they already took against the posts in the chainflix account. It gives a clear signal to the community this type of behaviour is not wanted.
Unfortunately, this does not seem to be a consensus... :/
I found out, in the last 24 hours, don further investigations, talks with many people including DTube owner and creator, some whales and investigated the account. I have an update post done today.
Brother please check this thread out. They still don't understand why they are hurting steemit.
https://steemit.com/dtube/@cartoontv/u1ipsz2o
They argue that it's OK and whales are voting them up at high strength. $30 for a copy of a Rick and Morty episode that is very clearly copyrighted.
Thanks for the info, didn't know about this. Looks like similar setup as chainflix.
Impossible
copyrighted content has to stay out of the service!!
for sure the industry with their mighty dollars will shut it down if not!
Can't agree more.
i upvote but thia ia great posting in steemit