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RE: Reviewing Basic Voluntaryist Ideas for Beginners

in #dlive7 years ago

That will never happen.

No. Perhaps 99% should be maybe even 99.99 percent but it's not consensual when murderers, rapists and thugs get arrested.

Yes we do need more freedom and we should work to get it but we should acknowledge the realities of our societies and work to improve them.

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It'll never happen? Asking for people to be equal under the law is too much to ask for? The difference between a ruler and a leader is the ruler is not equal under the law to others. Them and their agents are protected and are provided special protections.

That's common sense to ask that everyone be equal under the law, and the law should be simple and based off damage done to people or their property. You'd also be held accountable for breaking your word (contract law). This shit isn't complicated. It also doesn't require rulers.

Saying “that will never happen” is not an answer to the question.

Sure, there will always be problems, but governance today (statism) is based on the belief that human interaction doesn’t need to be consensual to be ethical.

Do you agree, or disagree?

I think it is ethical to make murder illegal and use economies of scale. A lot of what government does is ethical and a lot of it is unethical.

Government (all modern government) is funded via extortion (theft) and thus cannot be described as ethical.

Yeah good talking point. It does take theft to jail a murderer. We could eliminate our democracy and eliminate government but we would probably need to form a new one. I'm with you in theory and we need to dramatically reduce the size of government but the government is similar to a union. I think after voluntaryists figure out a plan to eliminate murder and build roads and provide trash collection I think then we can start talking about ethics. We do need to reduce government and reduce taxation though. We should be able to fund the Federal government with tariffs and no income tax and I don't think there should be state income taxes either.

No, it does not. PEople who aggressed unethically against others would be outlaws. They would lose the protections of common law courts made of volunteers. It would be a very hard life. People like me would gladly hunt predators like them down like the dogs they are too. You don't have to steal from people to have that process work either. I'm a private investigator. There are bounty hunters. Lawyers would still find work. The system as we know it today would still continue, but it would be lacking all of the major corruption, special protections, and double standards.

There is no need for a plan to eliminate murder. That’s a utopian idea. Private companies are already building roads. Voluntaryism makes the realistic and moral suggestion that violence isn’t necessary for peace. Anything that says someone must be violated for order to exist is a position out of touch with both ethics and reality.

In the imaginary world of anarchism and voluntaryism I think murders, rapes and theft would be much higher.
As long as there are bad people in the world we will need to combat them with violence.
In addition although voluntaryism is nice on paper economies of scale are real. It's a bit of a pain to be off grid or for a small group of individuals to make their own grid. Generally private companies are not going to build roads for free and would expect to get paid for it.
Under voluntaryism and anarchism if someone has a problem with you couldn't they execute you if they feel like it? If you support individualism why would somebody care if someone else got murdered especially if they could just take your stuff if they knew you were dead?
I assume people would step forward and do charity under voluntaryism but if not would it be ok for hospitals to deny medical care for people who can not pay and let them bleed out? What about ambulances? Just not show up if people can't pay?

Higher than the 262 million murdered by the state in the last century alone? Why do you think that?

Private organizations already exist to fulfill any need. Many times individuals don’t get the eki they need due to government enforced synthetic monopolies.

You should check out some David Friedman videos on private law society.

By the way, the tragedies you’ve described are already happening now under the violent statist paradigm.

Regardless, forcing non-violent individuals to live as you dictate via a forced-backed monopoly on violence (the state) can never be ethical.

Human interaction should be consensual, don’t you agree?

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Under voluntaryism and anarchism if someone has a problem with you couldn't they execute you if they feel like it? If you support individualism why would somebody care if someone else got murdered especially if they could just take your stuff if they knew you were dead?

No, Voluntaryism is not a lack of order or rules. Again, please research “private law society.”

Ahh, this is the classic "People are bad, so we need a government made up of people" thought process. All you do by creating a system that protects some over others, gives them special rights, and double standards under the law is provide a place for the minority of predators among us to go to more easily rule over and abuse others.