Hi @englishtchrivy
After all, you and I have seen previous downvote wars between users here that largely hurt themselves.
But after HF21 it is used by many users here, for Steem.Inc. has provided 2 free downvote per day. So now everyone has the right to decide for themselves whether to give a downvote even if the post is of good quality, but believes that the merit is too large so it can go back to the rewards pool.
If you get an upvote from a bidbot now that you haven't paid for yourself, others may vote your post down. The same thing can happen when others, me or, for example, slowwalker give you a good upvote on your post will actually all be penalized for being downvote
Yes, I get the downvote, the largest from a single person was over $ 7.
Today came this downvote
Your post "Somewhere Close to The German Alps"received many red flags / downvote. Fortunately, they didn't have enough power to tune you down to ruin your reward. But after all, there were 11 red flags that want to hurt you, it may be that I or others are giving you an upvote. For me, this is totally sick when there are 11 red flags on you on your post.
Imagine small accounts that get massive red flags from other small accounts.
This does not look good for our upcoming social platform
But those who give downvote and big downvoter now, don't seem to think that they give good upvotes to people they like and earn a lot on one post THIS IS DOUBLE MORAL
I understand where you're coming from. I agree that it woud indeed create much damage to smaller innocent account. I'm baffled that smooth flagged you a worth of $7 but he must have his reasons. You may ask him why, you know, he would probably give you a why if he sees your question - course, he won't if he wont but having the impression I have of smooth he'd probably do.
As for my flags, I can't tell whether those are haters' flags or they just don't like my post. I haven't bumped into them till that posts so they may just be dislikers and I don't mind that because I understand that my posts is not for everyone as I also have my own preferrences and reasons on casting ups plus would I only accept upvotes but I would probably also feel bad if I know that I put my heart out on my posts, polished it yada, yada, yada exerted much effort on it and then it got heavily flagged after all am human, too but what I can't control - I let go most of the time otherwise it would just consume me and make me react negatively on whoever flagged my post and as much as possible I don't really want to take things personally here because it's just the net. Though I really take kindness seriously - that is at least worth thinking it's real and really, some extend offline, this is just a friendly advice, pls watch out there are those who can be very manipulative and pretend to be kind, I have encountered a few and there are more authentic kindness I have bumped into here so I'd rather focus on that.
Once, I tried tracking a patron flagger who seem to stopped visiting me nowadays but in the end, I gave up on it because what's the point - the flagger is even anonymous and hiding in his account name - which I find very cowardly and backstabbing, I do appreciate those who flag and explain why on earth they did that but then only if they're not arrogant! I've seen a few arrogant newbies whom I find also very imposing, obstinate and self - righteous am not a fan of that. As for revenge flagging I find it a waste of energy and it would only encourage the continuing flag some also get tired of flagging you specially if you just give them a cold shoulder but then it's just me and my case is different from yours.
I understand and would also find it a double standard to downvote a certain post and cast a post one favors and earn much curation rewards on that - indeed, if I would look at it your way - it does look like that although I question whether the "possible curation rewards" really have manifested after the last fork! I did curate more often than not when I couldn't post before the autumn break and I wonder whether I did earn more than just posting.
I also think that if they consistently upvote the same authors they would eventually find themself sucked in what is called circle jerking - although unconsciously and not in a conniving way - or maybe even in a conniving way. It's hard to tell and judge.
I am not a fan of the flag and still am not but I find it important to also try to look at things the way others do because they may know something I don't. I just wish we could just find a different approach to combat the abuse - including circle jerking if it does harm the system and if we do - may it be positive and amiable after all people really tend to not forget how you make them feel, imho, it's very important to not hurt anyone's feelings and some could really be sensitive here. In my experience here, it's sad to loose a reader or a supporter more so - offend them. This is the net and yet, it has the same IRL social issues.
If there's one thing I learned after reading the comment thread on this - it's really hard to see and understand things the way others see and understand thems and in my opinion - it's like watching a double tipped pentelpen scream about the points they're trying to make, at each other, finding them both having a point and finding it hard to make those points meet elsewhere. For that same reason, I'd stick to live and let live and hope that somehow they find a way to listen to each other after all, there maybe something both of them and me included and the many others who read this comment thread, they could find as the really effective solution/s. As of now - it's hard to tell.
As for some who are proven to have abused the system, I won't necessarily have to no longer cast my upvote on them nor have a prejudice against those people and no one has the right to question whom I cast my upvotes - that part, I can control and it's up to me and I intend to use it wisely - according to my own definition of it and people will just have to respect that as I do so with the way they cast their ups and downs.
Chereo! Enjoy autumn!
thank you @englishtchrivy for sharing your thoughts with me on this
I understand what they say when they explain this to me,
but unfortunately there are also those who use downvote here now with a completely different agenda.
When I logged out I earlier, I was still wondering why you got heavily flagged, you don't strike me as a person who'd abuse the system, in fact, I've watched you helped and lifted the many here, even those whose posts looked like they didn't exert much effort on making. It made me wonder whether you earned more than 50 or 100 on that post that got heavily flagged. If that's the case and it just so happen that I looked at the trending earlier and that time I saw low quality posts and they don't seem to be heavily flagged. I understand that the flag seems necessary now since there are huge accounts that seem to be proving consistently greedy and hurting the system but I still think people are more important that just saving the system. What good would a system be if there'd be no longer a many for it to serve.
I think I can't blame the many for posting low quality posts after the .. hf20 or probably even before that, I don't remember which fork has encouraged the abuse of the system anymore but I remember posts got shorter that time and the many lost their appetite to write long and valuable ones having seen that pattern of abuse. I hope the flagging on your posts stops specially if it's very unreasonable and if it already did cheers to that! Imho, you don't deserve that specially if you aren't guilty of abusing the system. If it hasn't I just hope that whoever flags your post explains why they flagged your posts and why that heavy a flagging?
Take care and don't let this get into you - be kind to your heart. I can't express how much I feel sorry for you but I also don't think it would do much to console your heaving heart. I've had such a phase back then and I was no longer a newbie, I had no choice but to toughen up and stay open to what's going on, I've witness the system changed so many times, things eventually stopped in the end, not entirely but surely - like everything they'd come to pass. I send wishes to the universe to help you find the strenght to endure this and carry on.
Hi @englishtchrivy
Thank you for your warm and kind words about me.
After reading your comment I just had to look at the stars in the night sky and I felt that energy coming, thank you
I get downvote because they think I give too much upvote to some people like @slowwalker who get good upvote
If they had had dirty posts they would not have received my vote.
I've been following @slowwalker for a long time and like his posts. Just as I like your posts and give you upvote.
So it has become so now that they are trying to decide on who I give my upvotes to and the reason is that I get the upvotes back
I got an answer from @smooth here is the link
https://steemit.com/downvote/@xpilar/re-pz8x1i
here is the post where he gave me a powerful downvote
https://steemit.com/art/@xpilar/4tpzq5-the-image-is-made-of-own-imagination-and-thoughts
You have to differ between the small downvotes which aren't worth anything and just used for trolling, and the bigger ones used to balance rewards.
The former don't do anything except giving a small sting to the ego, and I see them as a part of normalizing them, so they're not even bad. There's dislikes on youtube, do those keep off content creators?
The big ones are used to stop people from different forms of self voting. Like bid bots, trading is a form of this too. If you upvote others just to get their vote, it's nothing but a covered up self vote. Slowwalker does this and nothing else, so people exchanging votes with him get targeted.
Hi @pharesim
Of course you want to defend what is happening because it has become part of your job now that you have worked hard to promote the downvote.
I'm worried you must also see everything that happens next to what you explain. There are users who have no idea why the red flags come from, do not help if it is from large or small accounts. It gets completely wrong when they have done nothing wrong.
They earn a little money on their post and are lucky that a bidbot has given them upvote without paying that bidbot. Later, there is a downvote due to the fact that they got a vote from bidbot and lost their reward. You can't believe I shouldn't be worried
You have to understand that red flags are also seen as punishments when they have done no wrong, so I want to highlight that someone has a different agenda than what is meant by downvote and flagging
Do people feel punished for dislikes on youtube, and stop creating videos because of them? Stop being overdramatic.
Hi again @pharesim
you for collecting it as you please
but you did not comment bidbot
I wrote a post going into details. People will get used to downvotes being as normal as upvotes. It's difficult to switch the mindset about them after being flags for so long, but that was a mistake that is being corrected. Takes time.
thanks @pharesim,
it was nice to hear that it will be fixed 👍