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I see why communism didn't work so well, fascism either, neither does democracy, nor crapitalism, nor militocracy(meritocracy), you all refuse responsablity, blaming something else, if only there wasn't so much private property workers would be better off, well why? wouldn't they still have to work?"
the difference is the workers will be getting what they produce and will be able to collectively decide the future of society. Think of the planners in the USSR. The workers in the area were always the ones leading every project.
20 million die a year do to poverty. This is because the ruling class does not allow them to freely labor and take what they produce. This means that can not get food, vaccines, or even shelter without begging a member of the ruling class.
The workers would get what they produce, 5 people own more than the bottom 50% of society. Why do you think property is more important than lives? You make me sick.
well you said you were ok with killing people for property, I only pointed out the obvious, we are dancing around a good? argument. I don't want to make you sick, it's not just the ruling class, people are not bound to not help they just don't out of many reasons. It's not that you can't get 5000 matraces made out of hay or something on a minimum wage, get a room rented or some old garage, build some huts on a abandoned farm, it's just that when you do either the police will come because of a complaint or in the worst case a ghetto will form, in case those people see no reason to change develop further or lack the means, first you need knowledge, then you can move in some direction, those people are being neglected by everybody not just the "ruling class" there are many assholes, I have helped here and there on my non wage, because I don't work, because call it capitalism, or call it naivete and stupidity and truth be told I've payed a higher price than if I didn't help (as far as money is concerned). People are getting robbed around me, it's not my fault I don't like stealing, but guess what they are workers and the ones that rob them aren't, I can't say they are criminals either, I view them as fucked up people in a fucked up place, if you want to know why, It's because I don't know the reason behind their state of affairs, they have had free education for decades, free support and child care, guess what they beat their children, teach them to steal, traffic people at worst, then they drink in the local dump, that's not the fault of any system, the ones who want out take the hard way and leave the toxic environment, change and most of the times don't look back, why, well they think their own people are beyond help, why, that beats me currently.
and here I am making people sick because I can't agree with double standards. Why wouldn't I value property when I get to take care of it for the next 20 years and some "helpless" person just wants to drink more, so yeah last time I helped I payed a salty price, around 1000usd out of my own pocket just to see how low some are, it's not that I couldn't call the police, it's just that I don't think violence solves problems, most of the times it causes more and costs lives in the process. now please tell me how I'm wrong, I've earned every single cent out of that and I have cost people around me nerves and some minor losses, why because I'm naive as fuck, so what if people need help are they missing arms or legs? probably not, guess what it's not just arms and legs that make up a human, there's also emotion and empathy and you can't help anyone when you see him lying in your eyes, you can't help anyone that doesn't want help but is rather happy to have what you and the people before you have earned died and starved for.
Also don't try to play emotional cards on me. oh think of the children and all that, I've had the pleasure to live in a separated family since birth, grown in a dusty cardboard apartment with windows barred with boxes, had more than a few run ins with people that can't think straight for a minute, so I've seen enough bullshit to not care about others and I still do, why, well that beats me, I've grown some morals over the years to not get wasted as fuck and deadbeat over how "terrible" the world is, hey trust me I like free vacations as much as the next guy, but not when some writer/politician/private owner has to go work himself to death in a labor camp until he gets why communism is great. Hey I support the party, it's all a scam in the end, the person next to you fucking you over for a better seat. That's why communism fails. greed and power. That's why it's not different from crapitalism.
but hey sorry for rubbing my sick off on you. I'm a bit spent to argue at the moment, I wasn't really in the mood in the first place, only I get quite triggered when I see people with pink glasses. Hey at least you are an anarchist and have some decency to respond, so thanks for that.
and mind you greed and hunger are normal for people, it's only when there are no standards set for a select few that they become a problem, capitalism has the evil banksters or whatnot, nevermind I tend to drag out arguments I hope you get my point.
"well you said you were ok with killing people for property"
no, I side I was ok with killing people who used violence to steal the property in the first place
well I will agree there, but the video claimed that their great grand fathers could have done it too and they were responsible by some weird standard, so they better drop the loot and go be a worker now. And all that is debatable, in that scenario killing would be the best bet, for the reason they will rebel later and or poison your land :) oh wow your land, I meant the people's land.
Would you give up property if you earned it in a business deal? In your mind you would be the one getting stolen from, why would you believe some utopic white knight out to cure world hunger, water shortages in the desert and vaccinate everyone. The story goes Jesus died on the cross, it was probably capitalists, but then again if he was a socialist then why did his follower betray him, 2 silver coins? damn capitalists. Thank god god is god.
right so I'm not even going to read that "free market capitalism" stuff, its retarded.
Capitalism would not exist without the police. The police upkeep laws to help the capitalists.
here is a nice video on the falling rate of profit.
and for good measure here is one destroying "anarchist" capitalism
" owner has to go work himself to death in a labor camp until he gets why communism is great"
actually the only people that get put there are those who actively fight against the will of the majority. Nice try tho
hey I watched the videos, thanks for having courtesy should I answer your comments with a slimy quote and a line below, that was a personal story with real examples that I've went through, well I suppose watching videos and thinking the world different would solve everything, but then again we aren't even doing that. We are dancing around an argument :)
"it's not that I couldn't call the police, it's just that I don't think violence solves problems, "
you could view police as a protection racket, but then government is the problem, so we agree there, keep in mind that even capitalists say what is said in the video, they only claim there will be more efficiencies in the future to combat the decline, which we know won't solve a problem rather just perpetuate it, it was why I've watched a lot of "conspiracies" on the current financial system and was a fan of the Venus project a few years back, they were the first to do something and show actual progress rather than the violent and "progressive" actually regressive in my view actions from the American "opposition" well two part rule isn't that different from a one party rule.
oh you got me there :) the second video, then zombies lulled me to sleep. I didn't read the Stefan Molyneux on universal ethics. Yes the Non-Aggression principle is a principle and it's stupid to apply it when the other "party" doesn't have the same beliefs. Preferably people will have morals to feed people and see the good in them, where there is some hope, educate, work together and stop the exploitation of natural resources over the top to produce material gains in the moment and profits in the quarterly term or whatnot. That is as close to happening(2000 years +++ of exploitation weigh in the other end) as the non aggression principle is to make it's way and make a great capitalistic society where the above mentioned scenario can occur.
Yes I'm a idealist i some sense as in I'd like to see stupid stuff to stop happening, but I'm also a realist in the sense that it's easier to cut corners and sweep shit under the rug.
also on that last line again, yeah writers that don't agree with how the country is run, how workers are exploited even after that is what should have stopped, those rascals, politicising their opinion..
on violence and military, I'd get back at you since you aren't really giving examples rather just trying to stomp on me, military is a part of the world for again millennia, prayers have normally gone with the military. I don't see you proposing solutions other than invest more into military budget to combat the military budget investments. Technically you don't need military if everyone is capable of defending themselves, you could have a small reserve in case of a major crisis, but that would be police and would hopefully not beat random people on the street, that in a socialist state would be peacefully disrupting the means of production ie. the roads. What would you have different than a state in a democracy? How would you have a country built if not on the past looting and pillaging of others (culture, traditions, heritage ..) In case your history is lacking Imperialism tends to be expansive (you want to have military that tends to put the generals in power) some tribal societies have mostly fought defensive wars and most of the smaller states have fought bloody wars to defend their heritage from the bloody capitalists(feudalism is probably capitalistic) still military is something pervasive during the ages because there is violence. How violence can solve that, I don't know I know that the military is being kept in check with fear. The whole modern world is a different breed and private armies are a different topic, yes that probably wouldn't exist in a socialist state, but then that's a topic on politics of power.
"it's just that I don't think violence solves problems,"
lmao
what will you do? Pray away the military?
you can't fix violence with non-violence, they will just shoot you and be done lmao