I’ve added a few other comments here but it pretty much sums it up. I don’t love trump but what the fuck do we have to look forward to if Harris continues her abysmal excuse of an administration?
It’s really the clearest example of how easily people can be manipulated by 5th generation psychological warfare - where someone who wants to help the average person improve their lives is getting lots of hate. This also coming from the supposed party of everyone.
Can you point to a specific policy that you think is bad from trump? What is bad about the policy?
Ignore the personality - policy is what matters the most. If you have based your entire opinion off of a way he is portrayed then I really hope you reconsider and stop letting the media manipulate you into being emotional and turn over to being rational and analytical. Emotions are the easiest way to control people!
Debate is meant to be a healthy discussion. Don't treat others as if what they think is incorrect. Maybe actually try considering what all these other people are sincerely trying to say instead of outright rejecting anything but your view. You don't have to be condescending to people with different views than you. You sound angry.
Fair point - I was not the most eloquent with my disagreement! We certainly catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
It's also okay to be angry about something if we are able to manage it properly. A shouting match and name calling doesn't do well but adding some swears certainly doesn't mean it's a point that is lost. Quite the opposite, as some of the most intelligent people are adept at using vulgarity.
I certainly wasn't rejecting the view - it's nearly impossible to not know the playbook quite well. The media machine has been turned to 150% to try and convince people that Trump is a demon. This was just a reiteration of the media talking points sadly.
What I am trying to get folks to understand is we need to look past the childish “he called me a bad name!!!111 ☹️☹️☹️☹️“ crowd and get to the substance. What actions or policies do we have a problem with? What track record is an issue on actions taken? The superficial mean words thing is such a soft way to take the world. The world is a nasty ass place - if you can’t handle someone saying mean words about corrupt people then you are in for a rude awakening. The world is filled with manipulators pulling the emotional strings because they know how easy it is to control people with that.
I agree, it's okay to be angry (I imagined myself when I get similarly worked up in topics I feel strongly about). I will add though, that I still felt compelled to read all your comments! Simply because I still thought they were interesting and well worded.
I actually agree with a lot of it, too. I used to be subtly interested in politics before. I was even an election judge once. I didn't vote this year though. I don't think there is such thing as the lesser of two evils anymore. Both sides are evil. Or, at the very least, both running candidates along with their running mates. Can we blame them? (Yes.) More importantly can blame the last guy or the one before him and so on and so forth. What can anyone really do in 4 to 8 years to really help the United States of America at this point?
By the way, I have sort of been anxiously anticipating whether you were going to reply to my remark or not! Haha
Saw the comments, appreciate the discussion and happy to learn as non US citizen. Usually I say let the country elect what they want - with the US as still leading global power it is different as it influences global economy etc.
What I am afraid of is seeing him perform in a radical way - the Trump rail in Madision Square Garden was pretty hard and we would call him a right-wing guy after certain messages.
It is a total different way of politics the way he positions himself - i know the US needs a strong leader, strong messages but in the end he would (if successful) judged by the outcome within the US voters but also from other countries.
My country is heavily linked to the US and some of his plans are against us (tax, punitive tariffs) hence we take a close look. Not saying Harris is good - in the previous election against Hilary Clinton I saw two bad actors fighting against each other (in my view).
Policy is important but the representative of this even more as it is like in business / sales - people do not buy product, they buy people.
It is the constant case of "the lesser of two evils" sadly. I don't believe this to be the case this time.
We should always be focused on the policies - those are what actually gets things done. Germany should be begging for Trump to straighten out North America - we could send Germany and other European countries natural gas from canada and the US. Many European countries have destroyed themselves with this zealotry of "climate change" and ruined the energy grid. It's only gotten worse with the current group controlling the power. That's because they are a terribly weak administration. People don't respect the weak ones and they know they can push the boundaries without and recourse.
There are so many things I disagree with and I know that not all of them will change or get improved. Big ones for me is pushing this gender transition disgusting stuff on kids. It is the most appalling crime against the whole civilization and people should be in JAIL for permanently destroying a kids body. The current administration pushed that message so hard it's disgusting. The examples like that are what really pushes me away from them - they have such a potent disdain for American citizens and the people. They intentionally do things like refuse to help the poor people of Ohio after the chemical spill - where were the environmental and climate change zealots for that? It was one of the worst climate disasters in decades but absolute silence from those fake environmentalists. Maui, North Carolina are also clear examples of an administration that cares absolutely nothing for the people who are suffering.
The reason, I think, they make it so frequent and in your face to try and push people to hate him is they are truly scared because he represents real change at their level and they don't want that at all. Not enough change that I don't think there's other manipulators working on the other spectrum but enough change that they wont be able to get their policies in place. That's why I think they push so much messaging against him.