To Whom it may Concern,
@berniesanders if you want to attack what I sacrifice to build, please dont just do it to the minnows who join and get paid for trying to help build something of value...Downvote me too.
I added EOS tag to this post too:
https://steemit.com/eos/@officialfuzzy/beyondbitcoin-rsvp-whaletank-hangout-223-9-8-17-over-1000-usdbd-in-awards
It is important to me that you at least do what you promised. I mean @ned already downvoted whaletank (that pays guest speakers well over its earnings) when I designed the only crossplatform use case in BitShares and Steem, WhaleShares, to try to build Voltron...and rebuilt Steempay thanks to @emerge (have it recorded). @Fyrstikken vowed to attack whaleshares (have it recorded), and a handful of whales i'm sure I have not mentioned....so feel free to join the fray. You are afterall a big boy with lots of "power".
And for the record...I give nearly all my votes away. Because things like this benefit the community and lift all boats.
Now with that said...
I suspect it is time for you to call me a "shill for Dan" in the comments below. But just remember when you do that, that you are calling someone a "shill" who turned down being a shill for Bitcoin, Ethereum, @ned and many others who actually OFFERED ME REWARDS for shilling. I am unsure if Dan has ever rewarded me other than building amazing things (that I saw when most were singing praises of higher marketcap crypto) and allowing my brain and vision contribute in some way to his vision. If anything, being someone who has helped Dan has apparently caused quite a bit of pain that I never would have to deal with if I hadn't agreed with most of his vision. So call me what you will, but be careful on the "shil" comment. Being somewhere first and sticking around even when it doesnt help you ...because you see the vision before its popular is called Prescience.
@ all minnows. I apologize sincerely for this. I feel struck between the need to defend myself and what I believe in, while wanting to build valuable things. But promising to downvote anyone who makes money on eostalk.io forums (based on @jesta's chainbb) hurts everyone. Not just me.
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I'll chime in merely to echo the sentiments of others: "Huh?"
If both sides, or at least the flagging side, would lay out their positions it would be beneficial to all. If either side is looking to affect public opinion, which does affect reality, it's tough to do it when we can't tell what's going on to make a judgment.
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more respect plZZZ
Where are you from @elgeko n y the fuck you are insulting my God . Stop posting stupid editing pics 😠
I'm soo confused why my post got downvoted. Why is it such a threat to @berniesanders ? Just tryin' to help out the community! https://steemit.com/eos/@max-infeld/get-your-chestahedron-on-vector-kit-for-eos-fans
Best I can figger is that @dan is flagging @berniesanders, so @berniesanders flagged you in order to force @dan to counter the flag, and wear out his VP.
You, and your post, are but collateral damage to @berniesanders. IMHO.
He's, I believe, trying to use you as a weapon against @dan. More than that I neither know, nor can conjecture.
Yeh if that is the strategy he must really misread the situation (lol)
Not sure how I am used as a weapon against Dan. The guy is sitting here calling me a nobody shill while at the very same time he considers me a weapon against Dan? Purest of insanity if this is the case, but can't rule it out (obviously) :P
If you're really the block-police I know some serious abuses you can investigate....
Hmmmmm....
Will do...
when Dan flagged Bernie? Please, give a link.
@akrid is on it ^
Just look at @berniesander's profile, and you will see many flags from @dan.
What I see when I look at his profile... is a LOT of accounts upvoting by 10% - many with the 'nextgencrypto' or similar monicker.
Is this what a Sybil attack (or does this count as defense?) looks like?
(P.S. I will get around to 'it' - I just want to do it right. ^_^)
Did you not see the flags from @dan? I assure you I am not making it up!
Many of those accounts you note upvotes from are likely the same person, or his bots, as @berniesanders.
Yes, and yes. @berniesanders is able to extract rewards from the pool to increase his own holdings of SP through selfvotes. I consider this a 'Slowride' Sybil attack, as it slowly builds SP by extracting it from the rewards pool (it is an attack on Steemit as it decreases the rewards available through nominal curation). Since he has spread his SP into various accounts, he does so from those accounts as well, however, I am unaware that in normal circumstances he does so.
In this case, he is countering the flags @dan has thrown at him, so it is defensive.
@berniesanders does not hold enough SP to control the majority of the witnesses, which would be a 'true' Sybil attack on Steemit. His stake would be likely to be necessary to such an attack, though, so Sybil attacker(s) would seek to buy his, @dan's, @ned's, and etc., in the attempt to acquire enough SP to control the witnesses, and thus the code that Steemit runs.
I hope to demonstrate nominal patience so that 'it' is properly done. I far prefer things well done, if rare, to things common, and cheap. Data Flowers FTW!
Edit: added exposition of 'Slowride' Sybil attack.
You need not assure me @valued-customer. I could see that the up-votes were closely grouped and that they pushed whatever votes prior to them further back in history.
I am surprised that such can occur and be gotten away with in broad daylight. It gives me cause to pause and think.
Let us suppose that a sybil-conducive mass-multi-account situation comes about and is detected.
Then what?
If there is no consensus on what is to be done about such accounts (such as an ultimatum to transfer their SP to another account by a certain date as the account is to be suspended(with an agreed process of appeal for legitimate accounts mistaken for such (having an unfortunately similar name for instance)))...
...then detection will be simply like knowing you are going to get burgled but have been told that you cannot interfere.
Thank you for your patience @valued-customer. It shall be rewarded in quality.
Good question
Let this be an addition.
That is the definition of a Sybil attack... StInc is rife with it... pretty much their business model... I'd be happy to elaborate if you like.
... and is precisely the reason many have left Steemit for greener pastures. The price of Steem is in the basement for good reason.
It is the equivalent of taking hostages, or terrorism, in RL, so we can see it's also a time-honored traditional means of dispute resolution.
LOL those account names. Apparently truth in advertising...
Sorry to see he is doing this to you.
I haven't really looked at his voting history, so remain unaware of other than the reports of others regarding it, except as I have related in comments on this post, and in others where I became aware of it through context there.
Its not what he is doing to me so much as an entire community im trying to build on steem
Hey @fuzzyvest/@officialfuzzy/@fuzzmuffin, I only know your thru the Hangouts, and I sure do appreciate what you do on these forums.
I'll take someone with a good heart and sincerity any day. And, from those hangouts with the way you talk to people and moderate the hangout, I'll trust my instincts that you have both a good heart and sincerity.
I've seen some of the frustration and anger on here and I wonder if it rears its head more (or louder) because there's actual money at stake here. Or maybe the community is still pretty small so some voices can be louder and hit the HOT / TRENDING page.
I've been on reddit for years and seen lots of anger over there but with only karma at stake it doesn't seem to carry on that long. Or maybe it's just easier to avoid subreddits there.
I also reckon that I'd like @berniesanders (I sure like the real one), @fyrstikken, and many others on here who also appear to stake what they believe in, too. If only there was a way to grab a virtual beer and first agree that we desire so many of the same things (a safe place to live, being able to buy a bike for the kids on their birthdays, having good friends nearby, a tomato just picked from the garden) and the things we don't always agree on are a pretty small sliver of our lives.
In theory that would be great. But telling someone who has people come attack him to have a beer with them afterwards... well in practice is alot worse idea than it sounds in theory.
I never attacked. I only told the truth and Defended...
So I truly appreciate the nice idea but sadly this isnt a circumstance where it makes much sense.
Defense attorneys and DA's do it all the time!
Oh, yeah. That IS worse!
This is why I think this flagging stuff is pure crap, I mean I have never interacted with @officialfuzzy so I don't know what he does, it is completely out of my range of interest, but I don't think he is doing any harm apparently it is the other way he is doing good, so @berniesanders flags him, and then @dan flags bernie, all for what a misunderstanding? And I mean @dan has a lot of power he nullified all of bernies up votes, now I don't agree with @dan in one respect, he started with Bitshares, quit then went with Steem, quit and now EOS, I think he should stick with one thing, that is my opinion, I might be wrong, I still think flagging is dumb though.
i too think flagging is dumb.
it is there only for when people are blatantly abusing the system.
It's two edged sword, currently doing more harm than good.
what was he downvoting?
I fyou are asking about @dan, it was one of Bernies comments.
Dan from what i understand was downvoting bot accounts. Regardless nothing i am doing shoupd be attacked because of this.
Your post does not help anyone and does not add value. You should have done the mature thing and write out a reasonable and transparent post otherwise you are creating environment for questions and more confusion.
Is Bernie downvoting minnows for the same reason? Are their posts directly related to whaletanks?
...?...?
I understand sentiment and emotions but understand that this post does not help anyone.
Thanks imformations @officalfuzzy.
IDK what all this is about but Fuzzy I have always found you very focused and pleasant, in the face of adversity it seems.
We do not talk much but I consistently share things on here and twitter about BTS and EOS and believe basically all of us are here early and there is a cost to that, as well as a benefit.
Bernie is here early too and in that regard, we are all on rockets to the moon.
I want the best for all of us.
I sigh...but in the end I suppose its meant to make me a stronger person (somehow).
Well join up to our hangouts Barry! Its where BitShares, Steem and Peerplays were Launched and now we are creating more amazing projects for people like you who love helping people!
I have always talked about "Building Voltron" in our hangouts. This vision always looked like multiple DACs. In fact I always told Dan in these hangouts "We will be mainstream when we see the DPOS based chains littering coinmarketcap's top coins. We are now beginning to see this very thing. I was especially interested in chains working together and creating Synergy...which is where whaleshares, the first crosschain coin service, came from.
One would think I would be appreciated by the whales. Especially the ones milking it with bots :/
I don't know which fights are going on here, but it seems this goes since a while...
Never ends...
Im apparently hated 😂
Sorry to hear that.
its ok...comes with the territory (apparently). :/
?hated more than @berniesanders, or @ned, or @dan. Maybe a few people dislike you, I am sure there are a few people you dislike. One thing people need to learn is that people have a right to hangwith,or like who they want, and should not be "hated" because they like someone that the other person hates or despises. Clique's = High School mentality. It is how people with a little bit of power gain more power, set the clique's against each other. Dems vs Reps, Black vs white, Democracy vs communism, christianity vs muslim vs islam vs hinduism. The list goes on forever, keep the hate flowing, and the power will grow. For me personally on one of the eos talk things, someone asked @dan about the small font used, I asked a question noted in my question if it was inappropriate I to the thread I would edit out, instead I got hit with a 52 card down vote by bernie and bots/friends, and no reason given. It did not significant harm to me, but still ticked me off. Two year olds playing with nuclear weapons mentality. They do not "in my opinion" have even a high school clique mentality, just a I got the power and I am going to use it, (even though they are powerless).
Bernie is just sh1tting on his own investment...
@ fuzzy keep it up!
"synergy lovers"???
I tried to interact with your organization by making a suggestion and you turned around and used the words "attacking me" like 10x on my posts.
I don't really see any synergy if people can't even ask the leader of a project a question without being accused of attacking him for the next week.
smdh
Get all a beer together on steemfest, we will raise enough money tomorrow I hope to send you plus @ats-david there, talk to each other, fight and get an agreement on all. Namaste - #Beer rules -talk to you tomorrow on Last Day of our #Beerfest - which is also our German national holiday, unification or something. Have a good one @tuck-fheman and all.
Good guy lang. Try to bring people together. :)
Its at least worth a try.
My horoscope is libra so I hate people fighting especially the influential ones - not saying all is great on steemit - ideal world, all work together for the success of the platform, includes talking people you hate - I do that every day lol
Sorry. Not a chance.
Hmmm - not a chance for Beer, Steemfest or agreeing / talking?
Your post was trying to talk shit about how "its my responsibility" to vet things (and implying i fail at it or am otherwise complicit in scammers scamming).
I explained that all i do is get attacked by people who dont understand whaletank and why it is meant to be the way it is meant to be. Sadly it tells me u dont listen to our hangouts or really pay much attention anymore.
Of course then again id have to say im unsure since historically multiple people have been tuckfheman...and at least one of them hates me and has attacked me for no reason before. So please dont so this crap.
Ill say it one last time for u to get through your head: these hangouts are open for a reason and the community (like you) are given power to join up and participate in the discussions ...OR post warnings in the rsvp.
So how is it...that in a world where we are trying to move away from central authorities governing us...YOU are advocating i become the central authority???
I just asked a question.
are you sure?
Maybe you should spend your time advising those whales on steem who are actually doing the wrong thing.
baleted, reposting on correct account.
What's the reason people normally get as defensive as @officialfuzzy has become lately? It's all starting to come together...
figured id give you an upvote from a real person...
I feel bad for you man. :/
You shouldn't. I'm not the one whining and bitching on here all day, while still being a poor schmuck like you are.
It's funny that this all started when dan flagged an account named @danlarimer who was pretending to be him.
bernie admitted to owning that account. I don't understand why he thinks he is the victim.
Am I missing something @berniesanders?
sadly @akrid...you are right.
luckily @akrid...you miss little. ;)
I suggest you stop spewing lies. I do not own or have anything to do with that account. Unless you can prove otherwise, which isn't possible, I suggest you watch what you say.
I don't know what a Voltron is but it sure sounds awesome!
If only everyone followed the NAP....
So... Ned doesn't like Dan who doesn't like Bernie, who doesn't know fuzzy who likes Dan, but doesn't like fyrstikken, and possibly ned.... Everyone dislikes nog and .. Fuzzy likes Dan, but not Bernie..
And of course we know Fuzzy gives all of his votes out ... because it helps. We know this because he mentions it a Lot. (Also because he obviously does do it and has done a lot of good along the way)
No wonder we don't have soap operas anymore. Who needs them we have "As SteemIt Churns"
Everyone I mentioned above has helped retain users, supported projects and contributed in various ways to the platform. Also, nobody listed above has done so without creating controversy. Everyone above also holds a stake in this investment.
As fun as this is to read... You are embarrassing yourselves and the entire platform.
@berniesanders, I respect you a lot, because you try to keep this place free from garbage. But why attack Fuzzy? If you have issues with Dan, then go fuck him. When Ned downvoted fuzzy, then fuzzy didn't go around downvoting Ned's friends. And you have even downvoted this post of Fuzzy! As far as I know Fuzzy and you are from starting, then why so bitterness against Fuzzy. You should be supporting Fuzzy's projects! Please fuck who ever you want, but don't demotivate, frighten or harass Fuzzy. Please. 😡 I remember when you saved my ass from noganoo. You are still in good books of many ppl, but downvoting ppl like fuzzy changes that.......
Yikes. I looked at what all the fuss is about with berniesanders. And I see that some minnows have the unfortunate affect of getting into the crossfires between him and EOS. I'll make sure not to cross his path.
He's not the REAL Bernie Sanders is he?
Haha, minnows should definitely not cross his path. No, I don't think he is real Bernie Sanders.
From what I can tell Fuzzy is calling Bernie out. I don't think Bernie attacked fuzzy at all. In fact isn't fuzzy throwing himself in the arena, by saying HEY you forgot one...
Sigh, silly whales.
Nope.
great post, thx for sharing!
Well at least i know u arent one of bernies sock puppets! 😂
im confused here
me too. :O
great post dough.
keep it on powerfully
dont aware anyone , just go and look at your target ! wish u luck 😊
I dont understand why someone would attack another person for trying to help us minnows.. everyone needs a little help sometimes..
Oooo i love me a good flag war!!! All hands on deck 🇨🇦
Good point raised here ...Fussy I referenced you in my latest post about flag / downvoting war in steemit-feel free to check it out
Why the hell is @nextgencryptoo activating dozens of fake accounts just to downvote @dan ?? I don´t get it? I´m not into Steemit politics, but it is sad to see this much lack of respect to @dan. It shows how much respect the people have to the mental founder and technical genious talent creator of Steemit.
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What shall normal Steemit users make of this ? Is this a long planned attack on the platform itself or just a ridicolous showdown of Steempower with too much Testosteron???
I mean come on show some rescpect please without @dan you wouldnt run randowhale,ecetera and making shitloads of money. I can just shake my head about this inhumane lack of respect.
I don´t get it. Somebody hit me to the line, please!!!
Thank you @officialfuzzy for this honest post !!
honestly sorry i have to make it.
I even talked to ned and he seems to be ok with it all.
Man shit just got real up in here. I can actually see both sides perspectives on here. @dan upvoted nogo and he down voted you. He needs to think more clearly. I also saw him upvote his own comment $500. He could be using that steem power to good use instead he is flagging people.
The issue is that I am not @dan. So even though @dan keeps downvoting nextgencrypto (aka bernie sanders) sock puppets, @berniesanders should not attack me.
@officialfuzzy The online market place is a wonderful industry for truth of the matter and lies. Now it is actually quite challenging to acknowledge where by the reality is.
@officialfuzzy thnx for putting this information all with each other..
What's the hell is going on man? Why can't we have some peace and love like it's supposed to be here on steemit?
It is these types of fights/downvoting that make many people leave this platform.
Wish everyone puts their ego on side and work together for a better tomorrow for all of us, for humanity!
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ugh how terrible. I'm so sorry this happened. Hope the down-voting war can end soon.
Wars generally have two sides fighting. This one is more like raping and pillaging a village.
ugh this is horrible. :( how can you stop it? Or what can any of us do if put in a situation like this?
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I am hearing your post in my head with your voice from whaletank/hangouts.
^^ Can you please visit my blog? sorry if i make you uncomfortable
far better to visit the blogs of whales who are not attacked if you are in this for money.
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I understand very little of this all. It reads like Game of Thrones. I sure hope to only have to watch it and not be part of it.
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LOL...you bots.
It's fucking hilarious that you think this has ANYTHING to do with you. Like I told you, you're just a nobody fanboy.
I don't even know what the fuck eostalk is, nor do I care. Enjoy the flags EOS community!
P.S. bernie. I will never downvote people just because they help someone i dislike.
Look at my record.
Also if u want to talk about me being a "nobody" shill...id urge u to read...which im so certain you didnt do...
"Shills" in this industry are quite a bit wealthier than i am...because they promote tech we generally refused to cover.
So i guess i must have known something you didnt when i was "shilling" for a guy for whom shilling had an opportubity cost of millions (not investing in or supporting eth)
You have no record. You're generally a joke in the communities you're involved in, hence why you have to beg people like me to create one of your shittokens...
Yep. You see me begging...
But not for u to have the vision to create synergies betweem chains to make everyone wealthier. Im begging u to leave people alone who have nothing to do with u.
You're pathetic.
Odd...it doesnt really effect dan that you downvote a bunch of minnows.
Who exactly does it effect?
You'll see soon enough.
Yeah right