That's not true. I don't like it because it removes a crippling amount of the parental right to determine what course they want to take in teaching their children or treating them medically. It is tremendously detrimental to the rights of parents to guard and protect their children.
This has nothing to do with abortions or treating children as property. It has to do with parents being given the right as those who love their children best to determine the things that most directly impact them.
And if Family Protection posts have shown nothing else, they have shown that these things WOULD and DO happen across the Earth. Take a look at children in England made to die instead of being released to their parents' care to seek other options. That only happens here if the authorities manage to avoid any publicity. Once it goes that public, the hospital would be forced to let the child go to the parents because our case law currently demands parents be given the overwhelming weight of consideration in decisions about the child's welfare where the Rights of the Child mentality creates a lot more ways of cutting parents out of the decisions.
Which nation is this happening in?
Society has a responsibility to our children. Some parents should not be able to harm their children because they think it is right.
You are saying that parents have rights to harm a child, even if society see the children being harmed, that is treating a child as property.
Children belong to God. Society has a responsibility to them to keep them from harm in dangerous households.
Again....show me an article or show me the text of the treaty or show me something besides your opinion and I might be able to converse about the topic with you.
IMHO, if the US signed this treaty it would make it harder for the US Military to continually bomb children of color everyday...in the ongoing War of Terror...which would also be a good thing.
Also...we wouldn't steal children from refugees, at the border...
First of all, this and things like this (human trafficking, removal of children without redress) are happening in every single ratified country. That is not a valid argument for this discussion, nor would the adoption of the UNRotC change anything. This is demonstrably true. In order for this situation of child trafficking to be stopped, EXISTING LAW must be diligently enforced. Adding laws will change nothing except to remove parental rights.
To discuss all the different points of the UNRotC would be a very, very long post in and of itself. This article addresses many of my concerns. It is written by a legal organization in the United States which has been fighting for parental rights to have final decision-making capability for their children since the early 80s.
The salient point is that the UNRotC creates binding law - superimposed over the laws in any country in which it's enacted - which lead to the death of at least two young boys in England over the past 12 months, which makes the government the ultimate arbitor and guardian of all children. It reaches into the homes of the citizens burdened with it and makes them responsible to the government. This is not opinion. This is the stated goal of the drafters and convention members implementing UNRotC.
This is EXACTLY the onerous and terrible situation we are dealing with in @familyprotection posts right now. If someone believes this to be reasonable, I would question participation in @familyprotection posts and goals: the overreach of UNRotC - government having the final say in the treatment of children - already partially exists and is proving itself evil to it's core.
I think #6 sums it up the most.
Americans want to spend more on bombing children of color in poor nations, than we want to spend on our own children.
1 out of 5 children live in poverty in this nation...and the author of that pdf file thinks we should NOT spend more money on them and spend it on bombing children instead?!?!?!?!?!
Even the Saudi's signed it...and they treat their children horribly...
btw - when ratifying a treaty, many countries do put forth exceptions.
If USA really wanted parents to continue to have the right to beat their children...it could put that reservation into the acceptance...as some other nations did when they ratified the International Treaty for the Rights of Women...place like Saudi Arabia and Israel put in reservations to help keep their women out of power...we won't sign that one either.
This Treaty would force OUR government to stop doing some the horrors it does to children.
It would mostly, however, hinder our war profiteering, as we would be forced to bomb less children of color every year, until we started taking care of our own children.
The USA treats children horribly.
If you have a better solution than joining the civilized world, I'm interested in hearing it.
I am still waiting for actual evidence...not just some passing comment...about how the horrors of this treaty are ruining the lives of children in other nations...especially in comparison to how the USA treats children.
Alfie Evans. Charlie Gard. Dead at the hands of the court through power given them by this treaty to remove children in "world court" if parents don't fall into line with professional diktats.
All the Saudi children being treated horribly that this treaty hasn't done anything to protect.
You truly need more evidence?
Do you honestly think that IF the Saudis did NOT sign this treaty that they would treat children BETTER?
Weird...I'd like to see that article or study or whatever "fact" you are referring too.
I honestly think, that if the USA joined this treaty, we would be forced to stop bombing children of color everyday...in places like Yemen, Gaza, etc.
Firstly, bombing anyone is not part of the discussion at hand, which is the adoption of the International Rights of the Child for the purpose of stopping child trafficking through the foster system in the United States.
If the United States was conducting such bombing, nothing would change by the adoption of this treaty.
The Treaty has no teeth that would stop a country's policies of war, so if I accept your premise (and I do not), it would have no effect on the United States' decisions to bomb anyone. If you think a treaty has that kind of power, beware what else it can do.
The United States is not bombing Gaza. If you want to continue debating this, the conversation has gone so off-track it belongs in a whole new venue.
Regarding the Saudis, I was referring to your own statement and to the public information (check Wikipedia article on the UN Rights of the Child, section on countries who have signed, Saudi Arabia). They modified the treaty so it would not force them to combat child slavery in their country. If a country can do that, the entire process is a sham and the US is doing well to stay out of it.
My whole point is that the Treaty is immaterial to the actual good of children in a country and may actually do harm by infringing on the ability of parents to freely raise and protect their children (hence the Alfie Evans and Charlie Gard cases in England).
The Saudi Arabian signing of the treaty was clearly a sham or else they wouldn't have objected to language outlawing child slavery. So signing the treaty obviously does little to nothing for the childrens' good and would potentially abridge the freedom of parents to raise children without fear of over-zealous governmental intervention (the whole point of the @familyprotection awareness campaign).
Let's put the shoe on the other foot for a moment: produce for me evidence of a country that has signed the Treaty experiencing a drop in:
a.) trafficking/child slavery
b.) child abuse in foster systems (see recent upheavel in the UK's foster system and ongoing abuse that has yet to be stopped)
c.) child well-being in any measurable way (health, drop in suicide rates among teens, growth into untroubled adulthood, etc.).
When my tax dollars (millions and millions each day) go to fund the Israelis efforts to gun down Palestinians children, with US made weapons of mass destruction...then...yes...we are "bombing children."
The person that hires a hit-man is still guilty of the murder, even if they don't pull the trigger.
US Military bombs children everyday...pay attention...Congress MIGHT have to discuss this fact...if children had some rights in this nation.
The International community even attempts to help these children and the US works HARD to stop their efforts to save the children of Gaza.
The efforts of the Saudi's to slaughter children in Yemen...and to starve the remaining children is being supported by USA.
I don't have to look up who has signed it since the USA is the ONLY one not to. That means everyone else has.
Laws don't magically stop behaviors, but they do provide tools to fight injustices and reduce crimes against children.
There's this thing called Google, where you can look up these articles you wish me to read. I really don't want to do your research.
Here's a few more articles...even though you have failed to provide me ANY documentation so far:
https://borgenproject.org/children-around-the-world/
Here is one case study:
https://www.americanbar.org/newsletter/publications/gp_solo_magazine_home/gp_solo_magazine_index/oct99cro.html
Look, I get it. You think children belong to their parents, are property of their parents and should be viewed the way our government viewed slaves and women, in 1776.
I get it.
You probably have a religious motivation...fine...
However, in terms of international law, I find nothing to say this treaty would HARM children...probably helps them...and at least makes government look before they harm a child.
I have a strong religious belief that children belong to God. IF the parents of God's children are being harmed by their parents, then the larger community should intervene.
US child welfare programs are still bases in our old notions of children as property.
Child welfare practices would have to be re-written and re-examed, as they would not stand up to this Treaty.
http://ideas.time.com/2012/01/24/why-is-the-us-against-childrens-rights/
More reading material. And if you want information on your specific questions, that I didn't get to, Google it...it is super easy to find this information (admittedly, I don't use Google, but you know what I mean...do an Internet search).
https://www.aclu.org/blog/human-rights/treaty-ratification/theres-only-one-country-hasnt-ratified-convention-childrens
It sickens me that Madam Albright signed this treaty...after she helped to slaughter so many children in Iran with her sanctions and said the 1/2 million dead children was worth the price....