When the price goes up we tend to get new users. I feel almost like we are being trolled by a group of traders who have recently joined the community and want to argue with everyone about how the system works, but how it works is really quite simple....
Simple Explanation of how the reward system works:
- Each day the Steem Blockchain creates new Steem
- That Steem is distributed via our votes
- The more stake you hold the more your votes are worth
- When you post (or comment) the community has 3 options
- upvote
- downvote/flag
- no action
- A post is active for 7 days
- When that week is over you get to claim whatever the balance is.
Whether or not you like how it works, that is all there is to it. Anyone can flag anyone at anytime for any reason during the 7 days. After that is all just drama and "reaction".
We give lip service to the reasons we think people should flag... But the blockchain doesn't care.
Those with the most stake can give the biggest upvotes and downvotes. Their stake gives them the right to allocate those funds.
There have been calls to @ned to fix the system, but the system is supposed to be decentralized and without an Authority. So, that means each and everyone of us that does not like the way the reward pool is being allocated has a responsibility in either working on flagging and re-allocating the reward pool or accepting it the way it is.
The tools we hold:
- Our upvotes and our flags (powered by your SteemPower)
- Our voices and blog page to try to sway others
- Which witnesses we support to represent our voices
Use you voice, but gee whiz the drama level is off the charts on some posts.
Enjoy!
Well said! It's up to us to make the system work. We're so anti-authoritarian until there's something we don't like, then we go looking for some authority to fix it for us.
Yeah, it's crazy how some people here want Steemit Inc to step in and 'fix' something that basically works as intended.
Those people probably don't fully understand how exactly it works.
At least one person understood that point! Thank you. :)
Here is another one who understands. You explained it soo simple. The funny thing is that no one wants to leave the platform, but just complaining and want Ned to fix it. It's our platform now, but again, nobody forcing us to stay or buy SP.
That is why I know we are on to something good! When this many people complain, but do not leave it is a business's dream come true!
Hodl.
I'm hodling like crazy.
True. Means they must be doing something right
Exactly! It was created to work a certain way and that's what's happening. Why don't people get that?
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You win the internet for the week. #haejinranchodownvote brought me here.
I flagged this post because.... Awww who am I kidding.
The bottom line is that the community is supposed to be self policing, that is the whole point of the flagging system, and why it is not going to get changed anytime soon. This is working as intended!
And when it doesn't work as intended, it is our responsibility to correct the corrections. Or something like that!
Correct, correct and correct again. :)
You're super wonderful at seeing things in a way that really resonate and help people understand this is one of the main reasons I put myself up for adoption after reading some of your information I am seriously so lucky that I am your pet minnow! You have so much incredible knowledge to share and I love every time I learned something new from you which is basically like every day! This is a really excellent point and I am so glad that you spoke up and said so as this community will always be what we make it.
I need a drink in Mexico. :) I hope you had a great Christmas and New year.
many many cheers!!
If one wants to have a strong opinion on how things should work on Steemit, one should first get to know this platform, get to know the community and maybe get a little bit vested.
There seems to be an influx of people screaming drama with 25 reputation and no real contribution to this platform whatsoever. I fully support this @whatsup post.
Those who agree can help inform and set the culture to reflect this by talking about in the same ways.
been trying.. seems a lot of tone-deafness going on. Too busy screaming drama.
Did someone say 'drama'?
I haven't had my daily fix of drama yet. :-)
Haha, I love drama
Its absurd when any newbie tells me how steemit works.... LOL
I only hate one about one thing which i want steemit to really do is about spammers begging for votes and asking to follow.
Awesome clarification. I've been a bit confused the whole flaging stuff. I didn't even know that counted as a downvote or that it costed you a vote at all. Let alone the fact that there is voting power. I learn more each day and appreciate posts that lay things out simple for us lowly minnows.
It does seem like the amount of flagging has spiked again in the past week or so and a lot of it is over one individual targeting another over a disagreement about the value and frequency of that person's payouts. I won't mention any names and I'm sure you know who I'm talking about. I've stayed out of it and I'm staying out of it because I don't want to get pulled into the drama as I don't even have enough time to do as much good work here as I want to do.
As far as new users getting flagged...Many have been saying this for awhile but it's crucial for newcomers to understand what behaviors / actions are likely to get them flagged and how to at least try and avoid it.
I've been here about 5 months and I've very rarely flagged anyone, especially new people. If they're doing something like plagiarising then I'll try to explain that's generally not tolerated here and hope that will lead them to learning what's generally acceptable / not acceptable here (I say generally because there's so many different opinions and very very few concrete rules).
But yeah, the drama is back. It had died down for awhile and the short-lived low drama era was nice while it lasted...
I think we are not used to living in a decentralized environment and when people don't like what is happening they scream for someone else to fix it.
What we are doing (even with the drama) is how we are practicing living without hard fast rules, learning to be tolerant of other ideas, and...
Drum roll.
Votes do not belong to you until the post is closed. Nobody can take something from you that you do not yet own.
Hi @whatsup, I recently started following your posts and I have noticed that your analysis are based on naked truth. You suggest very good points that can help Steemit become a better platform. This is really good sir and appreciable.
Thumbs up.
I am so glad that you recognize how incredible @whatsup is & are resteeming all of this greatness!
Thank you for putting together this informative post on the complex subject of flag. I am sure it will help the newer members to the community to understand how to use it better.Great explanation thanks.
I just opted to fix myself a drink and some snacks and watch the drama unfold.
haha that’s so true LOl !!
I think the whole perpose of the steem comunity is to give the content developer a goal to create something for the blockchain community. If we name out other social media they don't give fhe content creator anything for their cntribution. but steem is diffrent. it gives his content creator it's respect. through money.and not only the author but tthe curetor are also hwt benifited. onw think I believe that there is no room for those people who just want to earn something by others creation.you have to contribute something to this community if you wanna survive here.otherwise this place isn't for you. nowadays i saw some people they r just trying to polute this place like the did before to the others. we have to be very aware of those people. cause there is no other place like steem and we have to make it safe for our shake. thanks for your awareness blog. Have a happy and safe steem.
It is a super uncomfortable topic. people can use them according to their mood. or if they have something personal.
Freedom at its finest!
Seriously I hate this flag war! Few days back a little mind person started bully me by his SP! He accused me for nothing and he self upvoted his posts and try to show he is a decent guy! But for me he is a just a bully! People who don't understand the value of Flag just abuse this power! So, I hate such kind of small mindsets! I don't get whale support so, they can bully us easily! But everything can be changed one day!
So without knowing the real use of flag, if people wish to use it, it made CHAOS, no more no less they dig their own grave! Merry X'mas friend!@whatsup,
Cheers~
I've been in Steemit for more than 4 months, and in all that time I used the flag only twice, both for spam, and in one of those I regretted it and then I removed the flag, explaining that they could mark it if I kept doing that.
It may be against me, and even attack me personally, but I don't really use the flag, maybe just an exception.
I just want to write my poems and history articles, share my thoughts over things, post my photos, upvote and comment the posts i like, and make some money and some new friends in the process - that's all. I've an understanding that if i stick long enough, everything's gonna make sense today or tomorrow. I just want to do what i love to do here. And i think this is what steemit should be. Do what you can do best and share it with the community - it should be about the contents and contributions. but if someone spams and tries to pollute the environment, I'm for flagging
I didn't know this. Thank you for explaining it to me in layman's terms
Well explained and simple, for all understanding. Thanks for that. I also think that the power of downvote must be in a way, under control but I understood it's impossible. Must be confident on the honesty of the people, in this case.
Notice how nobody ever says... That upvote was too big. I didn't deserve it.
Yes, you have right, probably nobody says...I never thought of that. I must to be the first? Thank you for your upvote but it was too big for me, I am not accustomed to receiving such great rewards until now...but it is very nice to receive!
Have another
Thank you very much and please forgive me if I made you think that's what I wanted (rewards).
Let me for translation this article to myanmar language .
I am waiting for your reply.hi , @whatsup
Yes, you may translate and post the translation! If you tag me in it, I will upvote.
excellent topic to discuss, nice post @whatsup
@resteemia
Yes, I agree with you there are many traders and owners of large funds
who entered the platform and trying to collect the largest followers and this for other purposes
Something good to see new money and investments in the site
will inevitably help to increase the currency more and more
@whatsup
Today's topic is too sensitive. And I'm happy that you took the decision to write on this crucial topic. Downvote / flag is a good thing but usage is not good. It all depends on the mentality of users. However, there should be a transparent system regarding this issue. Sometimes a whale gives a downvote / Flag to a minnow or even a dolphin there are chances that person will loose his / her credibility and might be his career is stoped.So doing this there is no loss of a whale but on the other hand 2nd party will loose everything. So in my opinion ned should take some changes after discussing with some genuine people.
All the best for your great work and stay awesome dear @whatsup
hope you kept an offline copy of this post you can reword a bit every couple of months and re-post. It will be needed again and again and again.
i had no idea how it worked before but now definitely got an idea
It's always scared the shit out of me when I see posts being flagged and chethah comments..Am new here and am learning gradually though but it will be nice to take more lessons from long time users.. happy boxing day and make sure you box anyone you first set your eyes
You are absolutely right on the arrival of newcomers, you need to again and again issue posts about the work of Steemit. I want to create a template for such a post. Thank you for sharing.
@whatsup, you realy point out important issue about flagging. i am new comer and often think about this. i think this is not a good sign for steemit. stemit is our life and our bread and butter is related with it. so @ned should take action or change some policies on this issue. because many peoples specialy new commers affected and disappointed from flagging.
Wanting things to be different does not make it so. It is okay for people to be disappointed.
There is a chance things could be coded differently, but for now it just is what it is.
That's right Sir @whatsup, if this is system designed and used for the betterment of system then i agreed with your worthy views, because i am new here and dont know much about "flagging system. i am learning from you and many other leaders like you, thanks for being the guide.
"" MERRY CHRISTMAS "" to you.
Excellent article and it is very well-written the whole algorithm of actions when evaluating a specific message. Very useful information, especially for beginners! Thank you @whatsup and happy Christmas!
nice to make good post comunity not care flags...is it mean this thing no effect on steem mining thus the upvote mine but the flags are not effect on its mining @whatsup
Its nice article to post. Very nice say that our system is totally carpeted. Whereas No authority or judge is take over responsibly to change the system. Depends upon the people who change his Governance. Keep it up and SharingHey @whatsup
yeah the flagging system is not good and i dont like bcz here anyone can flag to anyone without reason and it is very painic when anyone flaged u whatsup sir
It is working as designed. It is the end users who are fighting the system instead of trying to understand the system.
Good and helpful information I will be following you...thanks for sharing
...@Resteem...
I'm new comer in this great platform...I'm always try learn something with all steemit posts...
Ur this post is very useful to me....
Wondetful post sir...I'm realy interesing...
Followed U sir...now...I'm become Ur fan...I'm always try followed ur blog every day...
Merry Happy Christmas.....@whatsup sir
strongly believe that it's the future of the financial system of the world that's undergoing a revolution at this time and we're already seeing its positive impacts in the society all over the world.Hi @whatsup, We're the people who love crypto currency not because it lets us earn a lot of money rather because we
So, in such a platform that is actually a phenomenon so such a behavior/community of people can never be accepted. It would be a BIG loss if they're not stopped. I request Mr. Ned through this post to 'nip this evil in the bed' before it's too late. Great post.
Steem On!
I don't see any evil. I see a system working as it was designed.
I believe in the vision and leadership qualities of Steemit management and I think it's in safe hands. Like you, me too fully support and believe the system.
Thanks for the correction @whatsup.
It's a complete description of how Steemit reward system works. Excellent post.
very informative..you have present the basic very simple way.that 's really great....very useful..
Wow this cool guy. I like this with your post
As i always say spread love not flags ;p
Thank bro for your great information..Its helpful for every steemer..i like your advice...
Steem power is everything here .... Make good use of it or bad use .. depend on us ...
Thanks for the post, it is something all new steemite should know abt. I alwz feel sad when I get no action on my blog or comments. But it is a nice post
@whatsup - Useful article Ma'm... With the correct idea of how it works, flag is a useful thing... But without a correct idea, it's a type of crime... That's how I feel it Ma'm... Wish you a Merry Christmas...
+W+
It is not a crime, it is a vote controlled by stake.
@whatsup - Ma'm I mean without a correct idea use it to deduct someone else reward is a crime...
+W+
It isn't someone else's reward until the post closes. Proof is the blockchain.
Well said !! Really good knowledge to share
It is up to us to stand up and solve that🔝🔝
If we don't stand for something we might fall for everything⬇⬇
This platform is not at all very complicated but quite simple. New users get used to it within a week.
This was truly helpful for me. I've joined the community recently and I really didn't know about everything you share in your post, so I do appreciate it. Thanks!
This post has received a 2.48 % upvote from @booster thanks to: @whatsup.