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RE: If Bitconnect is a Ponzi Scheme why isn't Bitcoin also?

in #freedom7 years ago (edited)

To justify my sentiment so you understand where I'm coming from and can approach from the right perspective:

  • I do not trust Bitconnect.
  • I do not trust banks.
  • I do not trust developer(s).
  • I do not trust ICOs.
  • I do not trust the code.
  • I do not trust complete strangers on the Internet who claim to be looking out for my financial safety.

Now that my perspective is disclosed and out of the way, no one is looking out for me financially. Bitconnect is looking out for itself financially, but I think they have more to gain by staying in operation longer than by shutting down if they want to make as much money as possible. If they believe in their mission and want to make money then they will not shut down easily.

It is the same with Bitcoin. I do not trust the miners and we aren't supposed to. They get paid, and they get paid a lot. Crypto could be in a bubble and could pop at any moment. Any crypto could be banned at any time. Any argument you make about Tulips have been made about Bitcoin already and are not new. The Ponzi Scheme argument has been made about Bitcoin since it was invented and is not new.

So tell me why are you in Bitcoin if you are worried about bubbles, Ponzi Schemes, etc, and why do you suggest to me ICOs which offer even less return for more or the same risk? Are you going to invest in them?

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Bitcoin was never a ponzi. It serves a purpose. It's P2P digital cash. Bitcoin will die because the competitors like Dash,NEM,BCH,PIVX,XVG are doing a far better job that Bitcoin. BitConnect add nothing to the world. It totally fits the criteria of a ponzi which BTC doesn't. Bitcoin solves real world problems. It allows people to be their own bank. Bitcoin is digital currency; not some speculative vehicle.

Can't say the same about BitConnect.

In a previous comment you called https://www.saltlending.com/ a ponzi. How do you even prove your point. SALT give you real money while keeping your crypto as collateral. It's not different from getting a loan using your house as collateral.

Digital cash already existed and the banking system already is P2P. The federal reserve gives dividends to it's peers (other banks). Jamie Dimon said Bitcoin is a Ponzi Scheme and why don't you believe him? You believe random Youtubers and developers about Bitconnect yet you cannot see the same game being played on people who hold fiat?

The bankers don't want you to use it so they call it a Ponzi Scheme but then the people who bought Bitcoin 3 years ago are millionaires now. So why do you think people lending to Bitconnect cannot become millionaires 3 years from now if it happens routinely in this space?

In a previous comment you called https://www.saltlending.com/ a ponzi. How do you even prove your point. SALT give you real money while keeping your crypto as collateral. It's not different from getting a loan using your house as collateral.

Real money? I suppose if you trust the fiat Ponzi Scheme where they create the money out of thin air? Yet you get upset if in crypto it is deflationary where they remove tokens from the supply? In either case they manipulate the supply,

In the federal reserve it is even worse because they give dividends to the banks that sign up. Where does the money come from? I guess if you trust the bank you can accept that they generate real money but real money does not mean real wealth.

The Dollar is nothing more than numbers on a ledger. Bitconnect lets you lend in dollars and pays back in dollars, and is acting like a bank. If you are a lender, you get the dividend which is like a revenue share. I do honestly have issues with how they do it but as long as they keep paying out what they owe then it's no scam.

Money talks. Those traditional banks you trust did not give you a dividend, or interest, or bail you out. Bitcoin was founded from the perspective of being anti-bank specifically because these banks inflate the currency, take dividends for themselves, and the rest of us pay fees for the privilege (along with taxes).

You trust the code of salt lending? Smart contracts fail all the time. Maybe humans fail too but it is the same risk. You just decide you want to trust programmers you don't know and code you probably can't read instead of trust people you don't know and can't see.

I looked deeper at Saltlending, not only is it not profitable for investors but it is evil. It promotes people borrowing rather than loaning money, and promotes putting people in debt by encouraging people to spend money they do not have. Sure banks will love this as it will put even more people in debt but it does not promote freedom.

I will never be dumb enough to use Saltlending or a credit card. First it is risky to be a long term holder in crypto so the idea of taking loans against something which has so much volatility and unknown value makes no sense. Then how do loans actually give you anything?

The more loans you take, the more you owe someone else, when it is better and wiser to have someone else owe you. I think it is better to be your own bank and lend than to borrow.

I hate loans, and credit. I prefer to earn and then spend. If there has to be loans then I prefer to give loans rather than take them so you only encourage me to like Bitconnect even more if that is the alternative.