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RE: What Immigrants Think of Trump's Wall

in #freedom • 7 years ago

Of course the welfare state shouldn't continue--but to argue only against that is to strike at the branch instead of the root. Taxation is theft. Welfare is just as much a static issue as all the other uses of the taxation theft.
My main point is that you ought to be for open borders regardless of the existence of the welfare state; because each aspect of liberty (freedom of movement, freedom of trade, freedom of thought, etc.) is desirable independent of each other, and in fact the liberation of one area helps bring about the liberation of the others. Want to end the welfare state? Opening the borders might be a good way to bring that about.

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     7 years ago (edited) 

    How do you imagine that opening the boarders might be a good way to bring about the end of the welfare state?

    I think if you open the borders prior to ending taxation, that you’re going to end up creating more government dependents.

    That-in-itself, would generate a more fervent resistance to the elimination of the income tax, especially when the Statist politicians will no doubt frame the argument that:

    "these cold and heartless people want to end your welfare payments"

    as opposed to:

    "these people simply want to keep for themselves what they've worked for, so they can support their families."

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      I think it would hopefully be more like "these welfare programs are not sustainable or affordable now that borders are open--so it's time for a scaling back and reform". I mean, even Jerry Brown is addressing the pension crisis in California finally. Not to mention, the amount of capital and profit that having open borders would generate in the market would make it so no one would need or want welfare.

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      Like a race towards financial default, so that austerity measures can be justified? Maybe that’d work; I mean we’re practically to that point already anyhow. However, the national debt is impossible to pay. In fact the only way to repay it is with more borrowed money. We’re a nation State of slaves indentured to the money masters. Team America might be the only team balzy enough to rebel against the Bankers, but if and when we do, there will be blood. Who knows, maybe it would trigger and extinction level event? We’ve sure got ourselves in a pickle that’s for sure. Good chat man.