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Factories were also “confiscated and controlled by workmen’s committees, either term possessing for the owners’ almost equal significance,”

...So threat of violence/theft was required for any hope of this working?

Nice....

Guidelines, not authoritative.

If the workers stop playing crapitalism who you gonna exploit to pay your guards to keep us out of your factory?
We wont have to confiscate factories, they will be abandoned, the 'owners' cant man them all.

Those authors were trapped in their time.
Most people couldnt read, of course they were more brutish.

Guidelines, not authoritative....?

You didn't read your link article?

THEFT was required to implement the communism...mmm... where have we seen that before...?

Yes, they reference taking the factories by force, it is part of being trapped in their time.
Today we merely squat the factories when they are abandoned.
No need to push the owners out, what are they going to do with a factory but no workers?
Work it themselves?
Who are their customers?

Keep working, stop paying means the owners are superfluous.
If they are over 50 they can retire, if they want to hang out they can as long as the workers agree to keep doing the work.

When we dont have to pay for anything, only need to work 20k hours between 20 and 50, and can live the jetset lifestyle, not many owners are not going to willingly give up their factories.

2nd example...

Later, the commune also established a Committee of Public Safety to use terror to protect the ideals of the revolution, which the anarchists later opposed.

...seeing the dynamics of how this goes , yet?

Nope, just the ones of how it went in that instance.

Taking rule by force off the table will result in different outcomes.

Nope, just the ones of how it went in that instance

Ah, another instance of communism turning to shit - but it wasn't real communism kind of thing...

At what point do you come to a conclusion - you were wrong in your ideology - when every gulag is full, and everyone is starving to death...?

...or see even crapitalism is better (which is shit, don't get me wrong) - people can eat, buy phones use the internet...

When ideology blanks out what is empirical,...mental illness lies that way.

crapitalism, which is capitalism oppressed by socialism, 2004-2012 reduced world's poverty in half. Collectivism slaughtered 300 000 000 people in last 100 years alone.
Debate over. If your cognitive dissonance does not let you acknowledge reality, you are a zombie and a waste of electricity. I really do not respect an intellectual zombie arrogant enough to pretend an enlightened "ascended master", shaming peaceful people who just want you to be the only controller of your own life

Ive repeatedly said that force wont be used, when are you going to stop ignoring that?
You dont get to tar me with that brush.
You dont get to point to instances of rule by force doing what it does then say the outcome will be the same in the absence of coercion.

Either people agree to keep working and stop paying, or it doesnt happen.

Look around you. It doesn't happen.
Right now - in the real world.

The only time it happens is when some left wing political forces decides for social change.
And after that (be it years or decades) it then falls t pieces under it's own ideology, and can only be continued through tyranny..

Reality.

Tell it to rojava and zomia.
Catalonia would be on this list, too, but spain keeps bullying them.

yes-
Catalonia are the most profitable area in Spain - they want their unearned income....their pound of flesh.. taxes..socialism - communism.

Well pointed out. A perfect illustration.

crapitlaism has zero to do with capitalism - you need to understand the difference.

Crapitalism is closer to political communism than anything else.

CAPITALISM cannot function correctly with an external authority of any kind.
It's a voluntary contract between to people.( No aggression principal )

So, if i dont have any medium to exchange, you gonna make me starve?

If you're one of life's victims, ( the position you are taking in this sentence), that's what will happen.

(unless you steal - but that's communism)

unless you ask nicely for help. I would help. try to force me and I will hang you myself ;)

Right, so you would rather see me starve than admit that your system is flawed.
Were it not flawed it could accomodate all people, not just the ones that comply with it.

Do you think we need to be all paid the same in steemit for our various levels of work? for example.

If we are not all paid the same for hours worked that leads to inequality, yes?

SO... the redistribution of wealth starts to create that equality is needed... (factory owners having their assets taken off them).

My steemit account is around $190. Yours is around $3000.

If you want to get this revolution started with actions and not words, transfer enough steem so we have equal amounts.

Voluntarily, not coercive.

Actions- not words - are the measure of conviction in beliefs, after all..

Vive la revolution!!
lolol

Ive never said that we would all be paid the same, either.

Of course people that contribute more will enjoy more prestige and tolerated at a higher consumption level.

A 20 yo kid that tries get a dozen cars given to him will meet resistence, but the local doctor probably wont.

The local house builder will probably get a better seat at the resaurant than the local bum, sue somebody.

The reputation you earn will be the coin of the realm.
If you cant find oil in texas you wont die a billionaire.
Baby bush.

So you are happy with inequality?
That's good.

inter generational wealth in a free market is dependent on meritocracy - if they are stupid, it will soon go to the poorer people who are not...