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Yeah they are. I quit for years and my pain didn't change :(. Im now weaker and it would be very much helpful to quit, yet im living off them. Its a newer symptom but im sure my guts not well. I do take supplements and probiotics. But basically i only eat 1 meal a day and puke it in the mornings. Alcohol is the main culprit. Poopy. Ty @reddust you are truly a loving soul.

You gotta stop or you will die...(hugs), you can do this, I have been a friend to several people who had to quit drinking (both black out drunks - ex vitenam vet and a crazy coder guy) stayed with them through thick and thin.

That is very honorable of you. I can only imagine. I love your candidness, ty. It is true. I need something else i can do when it gets bad.