Thanks for tagging. I just want to be clear there is no owner of SPORTS. I was the founder but everything we do should be done by stakeholder approval and grassroots efforts. That's the importance of using our DAO to decide how things work. There shouldn't be one person in charge making unilateral decisions about how the tribe moves forward. We have a system in place for anyone seeking changes to make a proposal, allow stakeholders to vote and then see that process executed.
I agree with that if the community it is mature enough and SportsTalkSocial community have not reached that kind of mature yet.
Look to LeoFinance project they have a mature community and even so, decisions continue to be made by the project team.
Using DAOs and making the community make decisions must be something very well-thought-out, or we could fall into no man's land as is the current moment in our community where nobody can make decisions to make the community move forward.
We had numerous examples in DeFi projects where they introduced DAO without analyzing things properly, ended up destroying the project.
You say you don't own SPS that you were only the founder of, then you own all private keys for community related accounts (@sports-gov, @sportstalksocial, @hive-101690 and @sportsnft).
In my opinion, this makes you the owner of the SPS.
Or is there some way for community members to own these accounts?
We moved away from advertising with the move to the new Hive Engine Outpost condenser because that tooling was never built for Outposts. The old site styling moved to sportstalk.social which I planned to leave running. At some point a change broke that site and no one reported it for months so I assumed that no one was using it and eventually let that domain expire. I'd love to see someone create a PR to get Outposts to support advertising. I think that'd be a good thing for all tribes and could be something done by an outside group that took a bit of the profit from ads and gave the rest back the tribes that participated. This was supposed to be a service from the old Steem Engine days but it never really materialized either.
Can you share the repository where our front end code is located?
I don't think the fact that the Hive Engine has stopped supporting a feature serves as an excuse for the lack of publicity. Leo Finance continues with some publicity, but soon they are in another level.
Regarding advertising, can you explain why there are funds related to community advertising that have not been transferred to one of the community accounts and remain in a BTC wallet?
The delegation to Actifit is from our partnership with them. We made an agreement in the early days that we'd delegate 5000 HP to them if they'd make Actifit be a SPORTS rewarding application. This could be addressed in a proposal to remove the delegation from them and use the Hive for other functions but I highly doubt there will be enough stake in favor to get over the quorum. Some of the top stakeholders are huge Actifit fans and without their support you'd need a very large grassroots movement to get past their vote.
What does Actifit “give” or help us?
I only see things that help the Actifit community and that hurt our SPS community.
For me, the fact of saying that a proposal regarding the delegation would hardly pass because most of the stakeholders are from the Actifit community tells me a lot about our decentralization....
DAO is not decentralized and SPS is a hostage of the Actifit community, because in reality they are the ones who have the power to rule our community.
Personally I would love to see a proposal that burnt the existing SPORTS in @sports-gov, traded all assets in it to SWAP.HIVE, then swapped those to SPORTS from the pool and burnt the remaining SPORTS. I'd then like to see the ARCHON governance system dissolved. I don't think we need two DAO structures and now we have the token fund to serve as a funding DAO. I just don't know that we'd have the voting stake to get past the quorum requirements for the old ARCHON governance system.
Forget DAOs it's proven that SPS isn't ready for this right now.
Is there any way to reverse this DAO situation?
This is clearly not how we can move forward and try new approaches.
I'm still working to move the keys for those accounts to a multisig quorum for control of @sports-gov which controls @hive-101690 and @sportsnft. @sportstalksocial was removed from community control to serve as an announcements portal for the sportstalksocial.com website and to do community content. https://www.sportstalksocial.com/@patrickulrich/sports-governance-proposal-sports-account-and-distribution-changes I guess you could say I'm still owner at this point based on those points but the goal will be to make sure I am not as soon as I can be confident that the accounts won't be locked in the multisig. I should have already completed that but just haven't got the chance.
https://github.com/hive-engine/outpost is the repository for the outpost sites. As for BTC I would assume that's funds from a-ads.com and probably comingled funds they use. They had automated payouts into the SWAP.BTC address for the funds that are in sports-gov.
Actifit gave us a much larger token distribution for the first few years than we would have achieved on our own. That creates its own issues as you point out but if those users don't want change then forcing it on them isn't the solution either. I'm just speaking from experience when it comes to limiting partnerships with Actifit that stakeholders were not for it when I've opened discussion in the past. Maybe they would see things differently now.
If stakeholders voted a proposal that said to wipe away everything and just have a core team with the rights to influence however they liked then I would think that's fair game to do. I'd be happy to transfer the domain sportstalksocial.com to that team as well if the community wanted someone else to control the project's host domain name. I think if the community votes for it then that's what we should do.
I will try to take some time to look the code and figure out if it is possible to implement some ads without Hive Engine dependency. If no possible, I will try to talk with Hive Engine to understand if they want to return to implement the previous advertising functionality.
I really don’t know if it was a good move to distribute tokens to Actifit, but I am not here to talk about past, since we cannot change past.
I want to help to move forward and improve things in the future.
Are you saying if the community approves a proposal to have a core team, you will transfer everything (all private keys and hosting) to the core team in the current state they are in?
That's awesome! If you think you can get it working I'd want to point the domain to a server that was running your condenser code instead of the HE one. Like I said I think there's an opportunity to offer advertising to more tribes than just SPORTS. I think if someone created that code and ran an advertising service they could bring a lot of help to tribes and even use the advertising revenue to support better hosting than HE provides so tribes win twice.
Definitely. I'd want to follow our existing policy of using the ARCHON governance system for that kind of vote but if the tribe preferred a centralized team to handle things then who would I be to stand in front of their will? The whole point of this token is to create a community around sporting content on Hive. If the community wants something then that's what we are here to deliver on.
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