I checked 3 options on the survey, including building without financing.
For a witness to build apps without funding on the use of Hive, sure makes them get votes and if it stops working the logical thing to do is to remove the votes.
Other types of apps should have their own business model and be profitable, for example games. But it seems that in Web3 the most common and normalized thing is that projects are funded from a DAO or from the community itself without being profitable or sustainable.
And that's the biggest mistake they make. Only sustainable projects makes sense. DAO (in my very humble opinion) should be only used in core development which obviously is profitable to whole ecosystem and wouldn't be funded otherwise.
Like in the real world, taxes should be spent on general infrastructure; it's reliability and security and basic tools for communities to function (education, health care), but the rest? Casino and soccer stadium? No.
Taxes are theft and I would not want to compare them to Hive. You got me thinking though. Although in Hive we are not coerced and participation is voluntary, it is also true that proposals are passed without our vote and it is supposed to be everyone's money. Could it be likened to taxes? Is part of my participation being taken away from me without my permission? I am just thinking about this now and I think it could be a deep topic to reflect on the type of governance and how free it is. However the best thing is that we don't have a centralized state deciding.
Yeah, analogy wasn't perfect, sorry for that. But yes, the big difference is that we voluntarlly joined Hive. Those are not even our money per se, but it's like air and water. It's not ours per se, it's a common good, but we should better be sure to care about those resources.
We 100% agree. I was very vocal about big games with tenure, not being self profitable and relying on DHF funds for life support.
While building a very sophisticated offering for free, for everyone to use, for free as well, and somehow, I'll find a way to make it pay for itself, but it would not be by proposal. It's a business, not a socialist factory the people should have to pay for, nor do I want to be beholden to the community, if it say... goes down for 9 hours on a wednesday at 2am. Etc.
What you wrote in your comment above this, is exactly how I also preach it. But the if it stops working part I would leave out, because there is probably more to that story. If the tool stops working, eh, I paid nothing for it (unless I did, then we have a different story) but if it stops working but other things start working or other things are still being done, eh... I dunno man, I dunno, lots more to it than - the free thing they made for you isnt around anymore, which can happen for 1000 reasons, from chain code changes, to their software platforms changing (php 7 to php 8 broke 1000s of php sites a few years ago etc)
I cant say a tool breaking is a deal beaker emphatically. But otherwise, about funding things on your own? HEAR HEAR! I wrote a whole manifesto about it just this week. :)
The vote is the payment. That's why I grow my HP, it's an investment. The votes a witness receives for their “free” applications are forms of payment. Of course if it stops working a few hours nothing happens, but if it's months or definitive, the votes that supported it should be withdrawn, because that's what they were given for.
Should we continue to support a witness for what it did in the past, if in the present it is not doing anything? The best thing about Hive is that there is no election every 4 years and we can vote at any time.
That's all reasonable with this additional set of guidelines for it clarified.