If somebody adds Hive to their wallet tool, cool. It would be neat if I could open up metamask and send you an HBD xfer, sure!
But I don't think that means all the dapps built for hive or any other chain need to start using each others coins and tokens for everything, thats just chaos. For the recipients mostly.
I already spend a portion of each day, going to dustseller or hive engine and turning layer two tokens back into Hive, I don't really play games or whatever, where some of those tokens have utility, and for the tip bot ones, I get a lot of those, I just kind of go... "why tho, hive worked fine already?" and turn them back into hive and from there HP or HBD or whatever I need or want to do that day.
So sure, build in cool key management tools for all the chains into a swiss army knife, I have KeyChain and MetaMask right next to each other right now in this browser. Be cool if I only needed one for all! Sure! In fact on my auth method preference poll post, I learned about a swiss army knife extension that will do ALL the hive login tools in one interface for users, and they can use whatever, while my site just uses that one thing. WIN, I'll probably use it once I fully ensure it's safe, reliable, will work in my code stack, and won't disappear in six months when they get bored or run out of money or whatever...
But that doesn't have anything at all to do with how my apps works inside itself per se, in terms of being Hive-centric, it just makes it easier for Hive Account holders to use it, Which is the goal.
So I think your point about auth tools is sort of adjacent but not central to this question of should HiveStreams.Live integrate its actual functionalities of streaming and watching, with other chains content distribution or user authentication methods. In fact that dilution is basically counter to the whole fundamental premise of the thing.
I was mainly thinking of a single method of signing HIVE transactions regardless of the login method. Sorry for the confusion. Let me reiterate.
I can go to PancakeSwap and use MetaMask, Brave Wallet, Trust Wallet, Block Wallet or any other EVM wallet regardless of it being listed as a login method on PancakeSwap. I don't know how this happen on the backend. What I know is that this is not the case on HIVE. I'm wondering if HIVE could be made more or less wallet agnostic.
All those EVM wallets are working with Eth tokens. All the things you listed are just the ETH version of the same problem - keychain/hivesigner/peaklock/hiveauth equivilants.
So I hear ya, but hive is "wallet agnostic" already in that way. As long as its a hive enabled wallet. Just like those others are if they are an Eth enabled wallet.
Thank you for clarification.
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right, so those aren't actually giving people Hive accounts though.
Those are liquidity pools. Exchange tool.
The "b" in the name is similar to "swap.Hive" on the Hive-Engine. Basically, they have a big pile of Hive and HBD in an account, you deal with them, they send to your recipient, and broker the transaction between the sides.
So its a way to exchange and move the currencies around, or send a payment to someone with a hive account without making one, but it wont let you do any "hive things" by logging into a dapp or anything like that by itself. Unless you are using that exchange with a hive wallet to begin with just like hive-engine's tokens and swap.hive/swap.hbd all work.
Certainly, but at least the option exists. It would be very difficult for metamask or any other wallet to integrate hive/hbd due to the issue of commissions (each developer would include a commission, and since there is no internal commission for transfers, it could hardly be achieved, I see it this way from my point of view ).
Now it's difficult to integrate everything into 1 app, but whoever manages it (I'm betting on you) will surely win a few prizes.
I heard that someone is working on integrating hive keychain into metamask, but I don't know how true that is or how far along that is. I'm curious about this, especially because of the issue of commissions in metamask and how they will be handled in hive
When you say "commissions" do you mean Eth Gas? Which has broadly become a term for any networks transaction fees, paid to block miner/makers and which WE don't have on our feeless, free transaction network (RC excepted, but thats not really any kind of "money", and even minnows can make it with the base allotment of RC, though most get easy RC delegations from whoever told them to come here anyway so its kind of moot)
Anyhoo, yeah, the problems enter in when you have fees to use a chains tokenizer second layer to do this sort of thing. They gotta pay the gas. Which is why these sorts of Pools help, they keep the whole thing second layer and provide giant piles of middleman money to pass around when they get some from you and send it to the other person.
A do it all app, would have to talk to every chain, figure out the disparities in transaction costs, make that work somehow, even for chains that are normally free vs those that are very expensive like core Eth or even some BTC transactions and the problems in doing all this run deep, possibly insurmountable without these middle brokers facilitating things in the ways they do.
It's all very complicated and thats why crypto ain't "facebook easy" enough yet.
Thanks for betting on me, but beyond hive, I doubt I'll be of much use. I do have a line on the tool to make all our Hive auth tools work for my site at once without much effort and allow users to come in from any of them, or even add their own custom login validators to it, but beyond that, I dunno man, I just dunno how someone will connect all the chains money and make it make sense and still be easy enough to use that you don't need a technical engineering degree with a masters in finance to use it.
yes, the fucking and evil fees.
I think this sums up the whole problem, what if a universal blockchain were invented, where all the coins could survive, something like what they do in publish0x where they give you tips with different tokens? Of course, the technical aspect that you mention is a difficulty, but I think we are not far from reaching a metaverse where you can access and easily pay with any crypto you have. It would be something like having a bridge that would be in charge of creating anonymous, single-use wallets that were intended only to carry out that operation. Of course this would require a lot of code, but a proposal for a universal blockchain that would cover all the others (hive, btc, eth, solana, bch, matic, etc.) would be interesting.
Wait, keep betting on me, I just had an idea.
Let me say it outloud and copyright the ffuckk out of it right now.
A human team would have a hard time doing this. But you know what could manage this bridge, code itself as the mother of all giant smart contracts to solve this, even creating its own crypto to be the bridge token liquidity pool that runs itself in a market it literally also generates all by itself, mines by itself, whatever, and would be feeless in the middle between everything, so that the only fees would be the ones the branched out various blockchains already had, so like using hive to BTC, you pay only whatever BTC needs to deliver it, but Hive adds nothing, ETH to BTC, it can do it directly but you're gonna have gas and lightening fees or whatever. It can do that math, middle man the liquidity and no human can "break it"
An AI could do that. That's what could do that.
So, um, let me just say right now, that was MY idea!
I wonder if I am really first to see something so obvious.
It is a good proposal, and additional, to ask the AI to make the transaction within the next 24 hours, at the time it finds the lowest % fee before the end of the requested period. Example: transfer me 5 hive when the fee is less than .3 before 24 hours. If 23 hours have passed, then increase the waiting period until the fee is less than .3 and send me a notification when that happens.
Calm down, no one is going to steal your idea, the proof that it originated is already here in this conversation =)