1Th 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ
The entire bible is a love story and a story of salvation. To me it makes no sense to gain salvation through Jesus, and then to suffer the wrath of God with the rest of the unbelieving world.
The whole point of the tribulation is to refine and purify and it is my opinion that if we, who are saved, were to go through the tribulation it would be contradictory to the glorious truth that believers are already purified and justified by faith in Christ.
1Jn 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God
1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
Eph 5:24-27 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Rom 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ
Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus
What is the purpose of the Tribulation: (Taken from Stephen Davey)
THE TRIBULATION PREPARES ISRAEL FOR THE COMING KINGDOM
Zechariah records:
“In the whole land, declares the Lord, two thirds shall be cut off and perish, and one third shall be left alive. And I will put this third into the fire, and refine them as one refines silver, and test them as gold is tested. They will call upon my name, and I will answer them. I will say, ‘They are my people’; and they will say, ‘The Lord is my God.’” (Zechariah 13:8-9)
There are many more passages indicating that the kingdom will be preceded by a national period of purifying judgment (Jeremiah 30:1- 10; Daniel 12:1; Joel 2). The church isn’t being purified; Israel is.
Imagine the horrors of the tribulation—war, famine, hail, fire, polluted oceans, falling stars, darkness, scorching heat, and more. Even still, humanity will curse God and millions will persist in their worship of the Antichrist.
The tribulation will reveal the depravity of humanity and the justness of God’s wrath on the sinful human race.
THE TRIBULATION REVEALS GOD’S SOVEREIGNTY OVER HIS CREATION
When the Pharaoh of Egypt mocked God and refused to submit to Him, God unleashed the plagues upon his land. In a similar display of arrogance, the Antichrist will set himself against the God of heaven. And God will again pour out His plagues to reveal His sovereignty and show that He alone is God.
Mankind, however, will respond with amazing unbelief. They will follow any god but the one true and living God.
THE TRIBULATION REVEALS THE CHARACTER AND CORRUPTION OF SATAN
For generations, through the false teachers he has promoted, Satan has masqueraded as one whose desire is to improve mankind and provide prosperity and comfort. The tribulation will unmask Satan and reveal that he cares nothing about the human race.
Satan’s masquerade will be thrown aside, and he will become the dragon attempting to destroy the purposes of God. He will spare no one in his quest. His utter hatred for God is seen in that he knows his doom is sure yet he plunges ahead.
“Woe to you, O earth and sea, for the devil has come down to you in great wrath, because he knows that his time is short!” - Rev 12:12
THE TRIBULATION REDEEMS A HOST OF BELIEVERS FROM AROUND THE WORLD
Millions will be redeemed by the grace of God during the tribulation, and many, many of those will be martyred for their faith. John tells us in Revelation 7:9-14 that there will be martyrs from every nation, tribe, people, and language. They will come to faith in Christ through the gospel message and then be killed by the Antichrist for their defection from him as they turn their allegiance to Christ. They will emerge from the horrors of the tribulation prepared to serve Christ in the coming kingdom and enjoy heaven forever.
THE TRIBULATION REVIVES ISRAEL FOR HER MESSIAH
This is the fulfillment of Romans 11:26-27, where Paul declares with great confidence the faithful completion of God’s election of Israel. Ethnic Israel will be revived, reconstituted, and redeemed as their Messiah returns to earth at the end of the tribulation.
Wrath and tribulation is two different things. Wrath comes after the tribulation. We are here for the whole thing of tribulation... for some of us, it's already started. (Like Chinese or middle Eastern brothers and sisters being thrown in jails or getting beheaded.)
What's your take on "KJV only"? I'm "KJV only" guy.
I also use the KJV version and I do believe it's the most accurate version. Robert Breaker's teachings taught me more about this (Also a great teacher, don't agree with everything, but I really learn a lot from him especially when it comes to different dispensations in the bible). I do however, use 4-5 bibles at a time. Every study I do is researched for days, sometimes weeks, or months in the case of rapture. I use many resources, including hebrew and greek translations to see what it actually said. I must say, our Bible doesn't differ that much from the originals but some phrases and words, when translated, can easily confuse someone. The Revelation study I'm busy with is mind blowing! I would definitely recommend the "Revelation Studies of Bethel, Roysten" on youtube. This is the best study I have seen so far in my months of researching Tribulation and Revelation. The difference between wrath and tribulation is clearly explained and very eye opening. It's verse by verse, chapter by chapter with incredible evidence and insights like I've never seen it before :)
I think we have one fundamental problem here. And I think we won't able to get any further until we passed this point. Which Bible? I strongly believe that there is only one Bible, all others are counterfeits.
Do you believe that Bible is Word of God? Or is it just a man written book?
I believe the Bible IS the actual words of God and inspired by God, therefore, I believe the Bible is alive. I believe the KJV version is the most correct version. I do use other bibles too, it's important not only to understand that people are deceived, but also why they are deceived. If someone tells me they read this verse and it said this, I need to know which bible it came from and exactly what that version said, otherwise I won't be able to correct them.
I keep running out of RC so if I take long to answer, my apologies :)
"The most correct version", I have a problem with this statement. If it is The Word of God, when it can't be just "almost good". That's what I understood from your statement. God is not powerful enough to write a perfect book? Why are we then worshiping "almost god"?
My position is that Bible is perfect and if we don't understand something in it (which I do a lot of), it's simply means that we are not smart enough. And if someone interprets it wrong, it doesn't mean that Bible is inferior, but it means that we can't understand it. (Or God doesn't want us to see certain things in it at this time).
I appreciate you talking to me, if you can't answer, no worries. We all have busy lives. I have a wife and 3 children, 5, 14, 17, they are driving me nuts most of the time...:)
Oh I completely understand! I have 3 boys, 4, 6, 14. I have a page on FB ~ The unspoken word of God. If you have fb then maybe we could chat there for free. I trust in the Spirit for guidance in everything. Hebrews 10:16 ~ "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;". I believe a lot of truth has been lost in translation. I do a lot of Hebrew studies and it's amazing once you understand what God actually meant and that each Hebrew alphabet letter means something, it's like a complete story in one letter. I believe God gave us His perfect word, yes, but I don't believe in man with a sinful nature to stay true to what God actually wrote :)