I'd like to believe that fear of viruses was taken too far with Covid and now most of the global population will not tolerate that level of tyranny ever again. The damage that the government did to their trustworthiness with that fiasco was really the only thing I needed to push me over the edge. I was already not a fan of government before that, but what little semblance I had in faith in government outside of my local area was completely squashed with the way it was handled.
They truly cried wolf on that and now I am just going to ignore anything they say in the future.... even if aliens are involved.
Good plan. I'm the same. However, I know a great many liberals who still think all the measures were necessary, that anyone who doesn't think so doesn't believe in science and does believe in Q. Their thought processes regarding covid and conservatives have been disabled. I got into an argument with one of them at a small gathering at my house recently. I pointed out that the NYTimes, her favorite news source, was little more than a propaganda rag for her party. An article about conservatives supporting drilling for fossil fuels set us off. She was enraged that conservatives still want to drill. I reminded her that Obama drilled more than any other recent president, so that the drilling had nothing to do with conservatives, and that the article was casting false aspersions on conservatives. (I read that paper everyday, but I do it to keep up on the daily lies) She could not see it. Then we got into covid. I said that we must remember that covid didn't traumatize our kids, force our elderly to die alone, or close any businesses. Covid policy did that. She saw no other way. When we got to the number of deaths, and I demonstrated how those had been grossly inflated, another person there supported me.
If we want more of us to make like you and me, we have to speak up, and now. You're down there in a county where nearly everyone agrees with you. I'm in a county that went along with ALL the BS, even though it's a conservative county.
Good on you. Yeah, I am fortunate to be in a like-minded county and that is a rather massive part of why I enjoy living here. Basically everywhere in North Carolina aside from Raleigh, Charlotte, and Ashville are majority conservative but the better thing is even though we have this divide, things don't get too heated or worse, violent over political disagreements.
I think it is amazing that you were able to have a civil conversation with your friend at a house party. Hopefully there is no long-standing feud between you and her because of this. I too have tried to have discussions with a liberal friend about various things and there is just no changing their minds no matter how much evidence you put in front of them.
I can't stand it when someone who disagrees with you immediately takes it to an indefensible extreme without any evidence at all.
Tthey assume. Everything they believe is at the level of assumption, nothing verifiable, everything said by their political party is taken as true on faith. Been that way since Trump was elected. I think letting him win that election was strategic: he came in very handy for further brainwashing of both the left and the right. And he knows it, is playing his assigned part.
Yes, we are still more than civil to each other. I was a bit surprised myself. This is why I think it's a good time to stick my neck out - for some reason, some libs are less stalwart about Democrat pronouncements at this moment, are better able to see, or re-consider, all the malarkey. I think we can see this on the right too. The lines are getting blurry, opportunities opening up.
I know a few liberals that I can have calm discussions with and this is enjoyable, especially when they don't just agree with everything their party of choice says without even really having their own thoughts and opinions about it.
Many of my liberal friends are kind of surprised when I break ranks on certain issues like abortion and the military but that is just because they assume that since I am not a liberal that I must be an Ultra-MAGA. I also know a few liberals out there that are not full on Democrats and are truly independent. These are the people I enjoy speaking with the most because you can tell that they have formed their own ideals and didn't let social media dictate what they are going to think.
Then I have another liberal friend who when I told her a true story of a relative of mine who is the "L" in LGBT and how she told me that most of the L's and G's don't want anything to do with any of the letters that come after B and how they don't really want the B's affiliated with them either. This liberal friend of mine, without hearing anything else called my relative a cunt for thinking that way. That was her immediate response, without even asking and questions she resorted to saying something awful about someone she knows nothing about. These people are the worst and it doesn't matter if they are right or left leaning. They are zombies.
Yes, most of the liberals I know, including my entire family-of-origin except for me, are zombies. They assume I am far right Q ultra MAGA if I say anything negative about Biden, for instance. Definitely have lost all capacity for reason when it comes to politics, Ukraine, and covid. When I remarked that children are being medically altered against their parents' wishes, they called me a conspiracy theorist. They have no idea what is going on in the world, live in tiny little prisons that they call freedom. And yes, like with your friend, if I continue to try to discuss pretty much anything with them, they will get very nasty, as if I am the enemy. Of course, their president (not mine) told them I was a domestic terrorist not long ago, and they weirdly worship him. So, we have superficial relationships and don't discuss anything of value. I limit the amount of time I spend with them. As for conservative zombies, many of those downright worship Trump, who is probably just another player in the show that is being put on for us, keeping us believing that a different person at the helm will set this ship aright. Not gonna happen. We are in for it now. Hang on! (spoken like a true conspiracy theorist)
I just watched The Jones Plantation last night, which illustrates how Democracy is a slave system, among other things. Check it out!
I will definitely do so. thanks for that.