The distribution of rewards is essentially a consensus based process although few individual posts or comments ever come close to meeting the blockchain definition of consensus, which is what I meant by context.
What is supposed to solve the abuse of witness voting or proposals?
The current solution is that there is sufficient stake amongst people that act with the interests of Hive in mind that the barrier for abuse is very high. And while some people have very large stakes in the network, nobody has unilateral control over the top 20 producers or the unilateral ability to fund a proposal. As we saw with Steem, if there is a single entity with enough stake for unilateral control and uses it in bad faith, there is a path forward as well, but that scenario does not seem likely to happen on Hive.
In regards to Hivewatchers, as far as I know there is a scope for them to cover and deviations from that scope are generally pointed out. I sometimes am the one pointing that out. But I don't agree that getting into specifics of abuse in the Hive white paper makes sense. Hivewatchers is already funded by a DAO, with support from the stakeholders of Hive. Is the reason for bringing up the non-symmetry between reward pool voting and witness/DAO voting that their proposal can't be downvoted?
You and I seem to differ on how much weight and purpose we put into the Hive white paper. I generally see it as a document that reflects what we have, and it gets updated as Hive changes. I get the sense you see it as more of a constitutional document, that directs what Hive is or should be. Am I correct?
Yes, I do see the Whitepaper a very important document that should be used to strengthen our blockchain. The U.S. Constitution is a somewhat good example but more so outlines natural rights where as the UN Human rights doctrines seem to be the main issue of concern globally in regards content but not where I want to take the convo.
Essentially, as a 18 year union member who has stood up for other people's working rights as a steward or crew lead through Collectively Bargained Agreements, I recognize the importance respecting documents such as a whitepaper or contract. Still we can point out how a decentralized chain is not an institution but is it not something that we have to protect beyond the rewards pool and hostile attacks from low stake users? I do not like the division and culture playing out that has undertones of the centralized steem day in regards to large stake holders and witnesses.
I would love to have a better written whitepaper that allows for the community to feel need to align with witness and protect them just as the large stake holders want to protect the rewards pool. I would love to see more accountability for large stake holders and witnesses without demonizing them or having them feel unappreciated.
Can you point me to the Hivewatchers DAO? seems 100 HBD daily is really low. I would love to read more about the Hivewatchers DAO and how we can further implement so that way they can eventually maybe take over the downvoting responsibilities of the chains content but in a transparent way while providing significantly more funding.
The DAO funding Hivewatchers is the Hive DAO/proposal system at 105 HBD/day.
We seem to agree on the culture-unifying potential behind a white paper, or a foundational document by another name. We almost were able to successfully defend Steem, except enough stake was in the hands of people that were not on the same page as everyone else when it came to blockchain dos and don'ts... to put it lightly. I don't know if it was that they were ignorant of what a blockchain should be or if it was just cynical greed, but it was a disappointment.
Not long after Hive was (re)born I set out to write a guide about Hive and what it meant to be a blockchain in very simple terms that I felt could be such a document, but after writing it a bit I felt like it was tonally aimed at 5 year olds and it got scrapped.
I love it! We are young chain with a bright future ahead of us with people/witnesses like you who care! I do think you are onto something with your guide. Maybe you can finish writing it and work with Patrice to make it more legalistic and more of an outline for how downvotes and upvotes should, I guess ethically be applied to content; such as over rewarding and what exactly that means and how specifically downvotes should be used to protect both the content creators, node operators where content is stored and of course reward pool.
I might have shelved it because I felt like it was more marketing copy. Here's an excerpt:
You may not know what a blockchain is, but Hive is one, and you might not even notice. That is what makes Hive incredible: seemless interaction with a global, decentralized currency and content platform.
Hive is a blockchain network, what is that?
A blockchain is a way to store data (blocks) in a way that can not be changed. In Hive, this data can be transactions (Adam sends John 6 HIVE) and content ("Here are my favorite recipes"). You have probably heard of Bitcoin, which was the first network to make a blockchain work without the need for a central authority. Hive builds upon that invention to do much more than send tokens from one place to another, and does so much faster.
The Hive blockchain is decentralized, meaning no single authority has control over the blockchain. This, believe it or not, is what gives value to Bitcoin and other blockchain currencies like Hive. If you do not need to trust a central authority, you can trust that your own balances won't be altered. How Hive accomplishes decentralization differs from Bitcoin, which gives it several advantages.
Hive Governance
The Hive network has people called witnesses to produce new blocks.
This is great! I do hope patrice responds.
Upon revisiting it, it's not as bad as I remember. Maybe my standards got lower :P
In my opinion, whenany witness that takes time to try to at least understand a grievance in the community is huge win for everyone and the right step forward to glorious interoperable future where Hive will surly be the center of. Your efforts are amazing I do hope you explore finishing your paper! sorry for edits its bed time kinda my body is going but mind is struggling to keep up.