I didn't mention in the post here anything about owning your data, but to respond to your questions here.. 'Ownership' is a pretty meaningless phrase without enforcement and currently the only commonly used form of enforcement is through the court systems offline. In general, Hive isn't sold as a system for enforcing ownership of your own data. Hive is sold as a system where you own your own account, which means that it cannot be shut down or controlled by a central authority or corporation. You have the right to always fork the blockchain and start your own version, so you will never lose your data as long as you are actively participating in the system on a technical enough level.
If I wanted to I can take your content and replicate it as many times as I want and there's nothing you can do to stop me, in fact, I can just pull the feeds and do with them what I want
That's exactly the same as other forms of media and website. Again, Hive isn't sold as being a system that prevents you from doing this.
Do you think the servers used to hold the data you're not holding yourself are incapable of being shut down?
They can be shut down, but like bit Torrent, mirrors will spring up quickly. Despite a lot of effort and court cases, bit Torrent continues.
Do you think an ICCAN domain is incapable of being flagged or removed?
The centralised domain system is still used to run bit Torrent sites after years of trying to shut them down. Even if governments started a 'war on hive', Hive could still continue outside of the centralized domain systems. Private DNS networks already exist and so do web 3.0 equivalents.
if what you did say was true, How does that apply to content that may be deemed unsavory or illegal?
If you are referring to the idea that your content cannot be deleted on Hive, there are some caveats. The top 20 witnesses can convene and reach consensus to remove posts from the blockchain if they are deemed to be a huge problem. To my knowledge this has never happened on Hive and only happened maybe once on Steem. This would likely only ever happen in cases of child sexual exploitation or extreme material of a similar nature. In general, the people who run the network will not act to devalue the network by removing posts. If they did so, then the big stakeholders could vote them out and if the big stakeholders for some reason agreed with the post removal, then the rest of the community can always fork the network and create a new blockchain that includes the controversial posts.
If they can remove your content they can remove your account so what exactly do you “own”?
Kinda seems like a half baked solution looking for a problem that no one cares about
As already stated, even if the witnesses decided to remove an account (which they never have, with the exception of when Hive was created in order to remove Justin Sun's power) - anyone could fork the blockchain prior to the account being removed, so nothing would be lost, provided people step up to manage the system that they personally value more than Hive.
Lol you realise you're contradicting yourself, they HAVE removed accounts, they HAVE removed stake, its itched in history ensuring that these chains can never be immutable, not that they were but now any moron can see that it's not
Why would I waste resources to fork the chain? because I want to "own" an account? lol I can just spin up my own website then would be less of a hassle and offer basically the same thing
I don't think you understand how decentralization works - it depends on the actions of individuals taking responsibility for the system/network. You seem to want someone else to do everything for you or for perfection to arise magically. The accounts were removed at the inception of the network since the network was created as a direct response to the actions of the operators of the accounts who were removed. There is no perfect system, there is only mitigation of risk and response to challenges that arise.
The forking of decentralized systems is their ultimate defense against corruption, which is what occurred. You are welcome to create something better.
Lol I don’t think YOU the one that understands how it works, dude I run my own servers my own node I think I know what I’m talking about
You’re larping on about a grouped data base run by people that have little to no incentive to disagree with one another so how is that different from a company?
Your overselling the product and trying to embellish it for something it’s proven in the past it’s not
Running a server and even 1000 nodes is not evidence of understanding any particular network topology, philosophy or ideology - you are essentially asserting a logical fallacy here - appeal to authority.
Your statement and question have no logical baring on the topic here. Whether a group of people have an incentive to disagree with each other or not does not change the reality that any data added to the distributed ledger for Hive remains accessible and can be accessed by anyone. Even if accounts are removed (which has never happened following the creation of Hive), the data remains available in public backups and aggrieved individuals can create their own version that conforms to their preferences. This means that no data is lost. There is nothing to debate here, this is the reality of the situation.
The system described differs from a company (corporation) in a long list of ways, if you read the formation documents for corporations, you will note a long list of rules and ways in which those involved are obligated to each other and also the governing body that oversees them in their jurisdiction. None of this exists on Hive because Hive is not a corporation or a company. Hive is an entirely voluntary system that anyone can take and replicate at will.
I am not selling anything, I am simply describing reality.