Legit question...what is it exactly that bothers you so much about people wanting to question the mainstream narrative on the hive blockchain? I totally understand you and others don't agree with the idea of corruption from within governments but does that make it ok for you to be such an influential adjudicator? I've come across quite a few of your interactions on this subject and besides coming across as a bit of a bully, I have to say you seem a little arrogant. From where I stand it seems @logiczombie is asking reasonable questions and being quite restrained while doing so. I think the least you could do is try resolve this issue or just agree to disagree, because the longer this sort of thing goes on the worse it looks to everyone looking in. Please also remember that nowhere on hive does it inform people who sign up that there are certain subject which are not allowed to be rewarded.
If you are “reasonable” I will give benefit of doubt, and assume positive intent.
Unfortunately logiczombie is around for a long time and knows all the nuances, at least should.
You however someone I do not know. So if you have a question I will answer it to the best of my ability.
You are correct it doesn’t say anywhere on hive that certain will not be rewarded.
Mind you, it doesn’t promise any reward either. Only says your content may be of value. It is judged whether it is of value by cumulative votes which are stake weighted. That’s it.
Most people who are complaining are farmers and want money for their shitpost which won’t be worth anything in the real world. We reward a lot of that. As collectively people don’t use enough downvote power. But there is only so much we can tolerate and a line have to be drawn and I have drawn my line to the best of my judgment, and logiczombie is currently on the wrong side of the line. That’s all.
I speak politely due to the fear you have created by your overbearing actions. If I’m honest, the way you and yours conduct yourselves is quite offensive to me(which is just life so no real bother). I wouldn’t normally speak out like this but on this occasion you seem to have downvoted this post purely because you disagree on a personal level. Downvoting was never intended for that and has always been sold as a way to combat abuse. What has been created is akin to watching children squabble in a playground.
I think you and I see Hive quite differently. I won’t speak for you but the way I see hive is like an auction or a garage sale where people pay what they think is a fair value for something they like. In that respect, we do not sit in the auction room waiting for someone to bid on an item only to step in as some middle man who adjusts the agreed price for no other reason than he/she doesn’t like the product being sold. There is a place for a middle man but that should to protect the auction against buying stolen goods. If people are selling shit then I understand the need for a watchman but much of what I have seen is a blatant attempt to control what’s on the trending page and therefore what’s visible to others(many of whom might like that content).
I find it quite telling when you use the term “we” as if you all have nominated yourselves as the opinion for everyone. You do not speak for me and I find value in much of the content being downvoted by those you refer to as “we”. In the end there is truth to be found on both sides of this argument and people should be able to make that judgement for themselves without feeling the need to punish, especially when some wield much larger weapons than others. We all came together to create hive due to someone wanting to control the platform and I imagine you were one of those who joined in this action. It seems quite ironic now seeing the same people attempting to do something very similar if not worse.
I mean no ill will towards anyone on here whether I agree with them or not but I do find this whole situation very tiring and reflective of the social media sites we strive to evolve from.
Peace be with you @azircon and I hope this can be resolved.
I am not in charge of your emotions. Also I can’t fix your misconceptions on science or facts. You have to go back to school for that.
You can see whichever way you like to see hive. I have no control over it. I see hive exactly the way it is described in the hive white paper. I say “we” because I help write it. I helped creating it at the time of its inception and so did 100s of others.
I’ll take a look at the white paper, thank you for the link. I’m not going to debate the science or “facts” with you as this is a point neither of us will budge far from. However, I will say that much of the info on hive that gets downvoted is created as an opinion derived from reading the work of scientist who are renowned in their field. These people know much more that you or I ever will on the subject and they deserve to be heard. Just because you have chosen to disagree with that side of the science doesn’t make you right, and the same goes for myself. That would be arrogant of us and very ignorant of a past which has proven that corruption exists within every industry.
Getting back to the point of all this. As someone who stands on the outside of the flagging war, I would ask that you reconsider your tactics and find another way to manifest your opposition.
I appreciate the hard work you and others have put into creating hive and I’m sure you have all been very well rewarded. However, that doesn’t mean you should have a disproportionate control over what gets rewarded(at least to the point where you can zero someone’s rewards).
Again when you assume you make an ‘Ass’ out of ‘u’ and ‘me’. :)
Please don’t try and teach science to me. I am a scientist and I am well renowned in my field. I have 2 masters degrees and a PhD. :)
If you try to teach me science that would really be the end of the conversation. It seems like we have arrived there. See, usually this happens. I didn’t assume anything but here we are :)
And so you have resorted to attempting to belittle someone who is trying to have a sensible conversation with you. Well done you. I never made any attempt to “teach you science” but instead tried to make the point that science is often contested, often with valid points on either side (surely even you would agree with this?)
It’s a shame your ego has gotten in the way of our conversation. I think I understand now why things have got to this point.
Legit question...what is it exactly that bothers you so much about people wanting to question the mainstream narrative on the hive blockchain? I totally understand you and others don't agree with the idea of corruption from within governments but does that make it ok for you to be such an influential adjudicator? I've come across quite a few of your interactions on this subject and besides coming across as a bit of a bully, I have to say you seem a little arrogant. From where I stand it seems @logiczombie is asking reasonable questions and being quite restrained while doing so. I think the least you could do is try resolve this issue or just agree to disagree, because the longer this sort of thing goes on the worse it looks to everyone looking in. Please also remember that nowhere on hive does it inform people who sign up that there are certain subject which are not allowed to be rewarded.
If you are “reasonable” I will give benefit of doubt, and assume positive intent.
Unfortunately logiczombie is around for a long time and knows all the nuances, at least should.
You however someone I do not know. So if you have a question I will answer it to the best of my ability.
You are correct it doesn’t say anywhere on hive that certain will not be rewarded.
Mind you, it doesn’t promise any reward either. Only says your content may be of value. It is judged whether it is of value by cumulative votes which are stake weighted. That’s it.
Most people who are complaining are farmers and want money for their shitpost which won’t be worth anything in the real world. We reward a lot of that. As collectively people don’t use enough downvote power. But there is only so much we can tolerate and a line have to be drawn and I have drawn my line to the best of my judgment, and logiczombie is currently on the wrong side of the line. That’s all.
I speak politely due to the fear you have created by your overbearing actions. If I’m honest, the way you and yours conduct yourselves is quite offensive to me(which is just life so no real bother). I wouldn’t normally speak out like this but on this occasion you seem to have downvoted this post purely because you disagree on a personal level. Downvoting was never intended for that and has always been sold as a way to combat abuse. What has been created is akin to watching children squabble in a playground.
I think you and I see Hive quite differently. I won’t speak for you but the way I see hive is like an auction or a garage sale where people pay what they think is a fair value for something they like. In that respect, we do not sit in the auction room waiting for someone to bid on an item only to step in as some middle man who adjusts the agreed price for no other reason than he/she doesn’t like the product being sold. There is a place for a middle man but that should to protect the auction against buying stolen goods. If people are selling shit then I understand the need for a watchman but much of what I have seen is a blatant attempt to control what’s on the trending page and therefore what’s visible to others(many of whom might like that content).
I find it quite telling when you use the term “we” as if you all have nominated yourselves as the opinion for everyone. You do not speak for me and I find value in much of the content being downvoted by those you refer to as “we”. In the end there is truth to be found on both sides of this argument and people should be able to make that judgement for themselves without feeling the need to punish, especially when some wield much larger weapons than others. We all came together to create hive due to someone wanting to control the platform and I imagine you were one of those who joined in this action. It seems quite ironic now seeing the same people attempting to do something very similar if not worse.
I mean no ill will towards anyone on here whether I agree with them or not but I do find this whole situation very tiring and reflective of the social media sites we strive to evolve from.
Peace be with you @azircon and I hope this can be resolved.
I am not in charge of your emotions. Also I can’t fix your misconceptions on science or facts. You have to go back to school for that.
You can see whichever way you like to see hive. I have no control over it. I see hive exactly the way it is described in the hive white paper. I say “we” because I help write it. I helped creating it at the time of its inception and so did 100s of others.
https://hive.io
https://hive.io/whitepaper.pdf
I speak politely to you because I am naturally polite. I am also reciprocal, if people are impolite to me, they get the same treatment.
I’ll take a look at the white paper, thank you for the link. I’m not going to debate the science or “facts” with you as this is a point neither of us will budge far from. However, I will say that much of the info on hive that gets downvoted is created as an opinion derived from reading the work of scientist who are renowned in their field. These people know much more that you or I ever will on the subject and they deserve to be heard. Just because you have chosen to disagree with that side of the science doesn’t make you right, and the same goes for myself. That would be arrogant of us and very ignorant of a past which has proven that corruption exists within every industry.
Getting back to the point of all this. As someone who stands on the outside of the flagging war, I would ask that you reconsider your tactics and find another way to manifest your opposition.
I appreciate the hard work you and others have put into creating hive and I’m sure you have all been very well rewarded. However, that doesn’t mean you should have a disproportionate control over what gets rewarded(at least to the point where you can zero someone’s rewards).
Again when you assume you make an ‘Ass’ out of ‘u’ and ‘me’. :)
Please don’t try and teach science to me. I am a scientist and I am well renowned in my field. I have 2 masters degrees and a PhD. :)
If you try to teach me science that would really be the end of the conversation. It seems like we have arrived there. See, usually this happens. I didn’t assume anything but here we are :)
And so you have resorted to attempting to belittle someone who is trying to have a sensible conversation with you. Well done you. I never made any attempt to “teach you science” but instead tried to make the point that science is often contested, often with valid points on either side (surely even you would agree with this?)
It’s a shame your ego has gotten in the way of our conversation. I think I understand now why things have got to this point.
Ce la vie