Removing them ain't fixing the problem, when people spamming and abusing the ecosystem is the problem.
If people didn't, the downvotes wouldn't be a problem :)
Okay, but what is your proposed solution? That's the question on the table. You see a problem, but you're okay with keeping the problem as a problem and not fixing it?
I'm not whining dude. It's easy to say that downvotes is the solution to rewards pool abuse. Where's the evidence of that? What are you referring to, exactly?
I'm a journalist. I look at both sides of a story and compare them to the facts. There are people onchain who see a problem. The counter argument to their claims is this, "Downvotes aren't being abuse, upvotes are." Is that what you're saying? That's what I'm hearing. I'd like to follow the evidence.
Thats whole idea of this discussion. We didnt get to this far without an open discussion.
IMO, I wanted to get rid of the down votes across the board. But I understand that they can be used for protection. In my world view the only one that can ensure ones safety is themselves.
I also want to separate hive power from the post rewards. That way a whale cant just come along at the last second and wipe out a creators rewards because they want to. To me that goes against everything intended to achieve in Web3. Transactions should be between a creator and a consumer and no 3rd party should have the ability to come along and negate other consumers value of the content that they appreciated.
Those are the two biggest issues to new users.
IRL you find value in an authors work. You buy their book. Author is rewarded. On Hive you find value in an authors work the author gets rewarded but then loses it if someone whale has more HP doesnt value their work down votes it? That should not happen and does more to drive new users out than what comes in.
Anytime votes are automatically cast on content that is not consumed is reaping from the rewards pool. It's not that much different than AI. The only real difference is the level of complexity of the software running it. They both give the same results in the end. To accomplish what we humans call mundane, boring and routine.
Spammy authors do get published. They are called American Journalists and Hollywood. 😜
Blurt does not have the kind of content I'm interested in and its pretty ugly to look at.
But what would be your ideas to fix the problems presented in the post? I'm genuinely curious if you have some actual insight or if you are just here to troll and attempt to side track the conversation.
It is a conversation and discussion that needs to happen. Right here on Hive and not behind closed doors in Mattermost or on Discord. All users need to weigh in on it. Not just the whales & witnesses.
How is auto votes reaping the reward pool even if the content is not comsumed? Most people automate authors of some level and many make sure they ain't posting Ai or spammy shit. I don't view it the same way.
I just read down to the downvote part and well Agoise have been getting downvoted for creating video-software where people double dipped the reward and I was part of the people who downvoted him for doing so.
Thats where I am coming from.
So I am for downvotes when comes to abuse.
How would you propose to do that?
I wouldn't. I dont have a problem with downvotes
So, you admit people are abusing them, but you don't want to fix that?
Removing them ain't fixing the problem, when people spamming and abusing the ecosystem is the problem.
If people didn't, the downvotes wouldn't be a problem :)
Okay, but what is your proposed solution? That's the question on the table. You see a problem, but you're okay with keeping the problem as a problem and not fixing it?
The problem is people abusing the reward pool and the solution is the downvotes.
We already got it.
Its you guys who whine about downvotes.
I'm not whining dude. It's easy to say that downvotes is the solution to rewards pool abuse. Where's the evidence of that? What are you referring to, exactly?
I'm a journalist. I look at both sides of a story and compare them to the facts. There are people onchain who see a problem. The counter argument to their claims is this, "Downvotes aren't being abuse, upvotes are." Is that what you're saying? That's what I'm hearing. I'd like to follow the evidence.
Thats whole idea of this discussion. We didnt get to this far without an open discussion.
IMO, I wanted to get rid of the down votes across the board. But I understand that they can be used for protection. In my world view the only one that can ensure ones safety is themselves.
I also want to separate hive power from the post rewards. That way a whale cant just come along at the last second and wipe out a creators rewards because they want to. To me that goes against everything intended to achieve in Web3. Transactions should be between a creator and a consumer and no 3rd party should have the ability to come along and negate other consumers value of the content that they appreciated.
Those are the two biggest issues to new users.
IRL you find value in an authors work. You buy their book. Author is rewarded. On Hive you find value in an authors work the author gets rewarded but then loses it if someone whale has more HP doesnt value their work down votes it? That should not happen and does more to drive new users out than what comes in.
Absolutely, positively 100%
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Well, I can value spam and Ai and create a group to reap the reward pool based on me liking spam posts and nobody can do anything about it. Perfect.
In IRL spammy Authors doesn't get published :)
Also, check out Blurt. They have no downvotes.
Anytime votes are automatically cast on content that is not consumed is reaping from the rewards pool. It's not that much different than AI. The only real difference is the level of complexity of the software running it. They both give the same results in the end. To accomplish what we humans call mundane, boring and routine.
Spammy authors do get published. They are called American Journalists and Hollywood. 😜
Blurt does not have the kind of content I'm interested in and its pretty ugly to look at.
But what would be your ideas to fix the problems presented in the post? I'm genuinely curious if you have some actual insight or if you are just here to troll and attempt to side track the conversation.
It is a conversation and discussion that needs to happen. Right here on Hive and not behind closed doors in Mattermost or on Discord. All users need to weigh in on it. Not just the whales & witnesses.
How is auto votes reaping the reward pool even if the content is not comsumed? Most people automate authors of some level and many make sure they ain't posting Ai or spammy shit. I don't view it the same way.
I just read down to the downvote part and well Agoise have been getting downvoted for creating video-software where people double dipped the reward and I was part of the people who downvoted him for doing so.
Thats where I am coming from.
So I am for downvotes when comes to abuse.