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RE: Deep Dives 19 | Confirmed Conspiracy Theories | 200 HIVE in Prizes

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You set a presupposition. "Government is evil and it wants to hurt you". (or something in that line of thinking) Something that is patently absurd. From that point of view you observe the world and align every event with that belief

@lordbutterfly, are you joking, or did you miss the news that government was the #1 killer of humanity in the 20th century? Or do you not consider genocide and mass murder of civilians “evil”? Government killed an estimated 169 million people in the 20th century alone outside of wars.

https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE1.HTM

108 million more killed in war...

https://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/06/books/chapters/what-every-person-should-know-about-war.html

So...The government does hurt you, whether they want to or not is irrelevant, as it is what they must do to exist, it is their very nature, as governments as they currently exist are ruled by force, and funded by robbing the people via taxation and fines without their consent. They are also the deadliest force on the face of the earth, and this is a historical fact and observable present reality.

Seems to me the real quack theory is that governments aren’t evil and harmful to humanity! But i’d Love to hear your fact/source-based reasoning as to why your stance is that governments are inherently good and non-harmful. Until then, the evidence supports what you deemed to be “patently absurd”. Do you consider reality as patently absurd or just prefer ignoring reality to support you beliefs in this matter?

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are you joking, or did you miss the news that government was the #1 killer of humanity in the 20th century?

Thats so ridiculous that i have to laugh out loud. Give me a sec. bwaaaaahahahahahahahahhaha.

So you will honestly assign guilt for the atrocities of the human race to shitty administration and current democratic systems?

What about ideologies? Where do ideologies come in to play? Nowhere? Communism? Nazism? Non democratic systems? Theocracies? Dictatorships? Anarchy?
Its like saying trucks are evil because a muslim drove a truck through a group of people.

Why not take another step and assign "EVIL" to "Humanity"? Why not go further and assign it to fauna.
You wont, you will stop where it suits you.

What you actually should do is look at each example by its own merits (or the opposite). What government is, is in no way evil. Its a way to increase efficiency of society beneficial services that arent interesting to the public sector.

It often fails at that, due to numerous factors, but to assign a label to the government as being "EVIL" is absurd. Its just a organization of human beings.

fines without their consent

🤣
Just stop. Stop. Yore being absurd honestly.
Although it would be hilarious watching you go up to the judge and say:

"Your honor!!! I do not consent to being fined for driving drunk and toppling over that fire hydrant and afterwards vomiting on the police officers shoes. YOU SIR ARE EVIL!!!!"

🤣

You are certainly entitled to your opinion that I am evil, although it is absurd accusation having never met me and not knowing me. I would reiterate, however, that it is government, not myself that threatens the entire citizenry (at least in my country, America) with force in order to extract taxes without consent, to be used to fund wars that I also do not consent or support. THAT is theft, to fund killing, and THAT is evil. Believe what you want, what the judge would say in a situation is no representative of righteousness, for judges are paid to uphold a system which only exists by forcefully extracting money from people against their will - by robbery.

Drunk drivers are by no means the only people being fined. Also people not wearing masks are currently being given ridiculously expensive fines, people driving without insurance, people not wearing seatbelts, etc. and so on. Most fines are issued for nonviolent infractions.

I will concede that much of humanity is indeed evil, otherwise they would never support governments that initiate unjust force against peaceful people in order to stay in power. Go on believing that governments are inherently good. Can you point to any government that doesn’t support itself through taxation without consent of the ones being taxed? If not, then my point stands. Robbery is wrong no matter who robs who. Your support of one robber because he’s called government only betrays your support of armed robbery. And apparently the war which that robbery (taxation) funds.

Since you want to look at governments individually, I’ll single one government out, the US government, and point to all the wars it is waging for 20 years now, invasion and occupation of foreign countries that never attacked us, and support of al-Qaeda terrorists, and say that is evil. Maybe you disagree and support the killing and destruction of people you’ve never met, but I don’t.

And fyi, Hitler was a democratically elected leader, so the notion that democracies are incapable of carrying out such atrocities in historically incorrect.

As to the individual ideologies, It is the ideology of state supremacy over the individual that remains the same in absolutely every scenario. Nazism/communism/etc. are only different ways to wrap that underlying ideology. Anyone who believes government has the right to force a peaceful person who has not harmed anyone else or their property, to do anything against their will, holds this ideology of state supremacy.

Do you believe governments have the right to compel others to do whatever they want, or do you believe that stops at some line, and if so, what is that line? And who draws that line? And what if that line doesn’t protect you at some point in the future, do you still defend those initiating force against peaceful people?