A spreadsheet report of data from the UK's NHS puts some more context around alleged "COVID-19 deaths". As has been confirmed in Italy and even with the flu, those most affected and potentially die, are those with pre-existing medical conditions.
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The ethnicity/race most affected are the white British (19,465 out of 27,045) which is 72% of alleged COVID death cases. Looking at the deaths of those with pre-existing conditions in age groups, those 60 and above account for 87.5% of all COVID-19 attributed deaths, and 92% of those dead with pre-existing conditions. That means those less than 60 and with pre-existing conditions only account for 8% of the alleged COVID-19 deaths with pre-existing conditions, and 7.5% of all COVID-19 attributed deaths.
If you're unhealthy, you already have problems with your health, and a viral infection can make it worse. Your body is already in a battle, and the virus is another burden to deal with, for the body to battle. COVId-19 severity is correlated with the viral load. A body that can't deal with the virus and lets it propagate will have more severe symptoms.
But if your healthy, you are not very likely to succumb to the infection. With all age groups combined -- this includes the elderly -- it's only 4.8% of total alleged COVID-19 deaths.
Looking at those less than 60 years old, they only make up 1% of all alleged COVID-19 deaths. Out of the whole UK population, the chance of dying from COVID-19 if you are healthy and below 60 years old is 0.000435%. That's a population survivability of 99.9995%.
When looking at Italy, they have the second oldest population worldwide. The elderly are those with the most medical conditions. Especially those in nursing homes who are being cared for until they die. The median expectancy in nursing home sis 2 years, with 32% dying each year.
According to Prof Walter Ricciardi, scientific adviser to Italy’s minister of health, the country’s mortality rate is far higher due to demographics – the nation has the second oldest population worldwide – and the manner in which hospitals record deaths.
Italy has admittedly been inflating the death counts, like the US, yet the media won't talk about this reality:
“The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus.
On March 20, Professor Walter Ricciardi, the scientific adviser to Roberto Speranza who is Italy’s minister of health, even stated that the true deaths from COVID-19 was only 12% as determined by actual autopsies.
“On re-evaluation by the National Institute of Health, only 12 per cent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus, while 88 per cent of patients who have died have at least one pre-morbidity – many had two or three,”
“99% who died had one pre-existing health condition): 49% had three or more health conditions; 26% had two other ‘pathologies’, and 25% had one.”
If you look at total deaths in Italy and consider that only about 12% of the alleged COVID-19 deaths are actual COVID-19 deaths, you get 4,032 dead instead of 33,601. That’s quite the difference.
How many of these deaths are truly from COVID-19? How many are from hospital neglect or incompetence? If you look at testimony from nurses in New York, you would see that many people are being killed by staff, not COVID-19. Many people were killed by forcing them onto ventilators which killed 9/10 people (and 97% of those older than 65) accoridng to a study:
Mortality rates for those who received mechanical ventilation in the 18-to-65 and older-than-65 age groups were 76.4% and 97.2%, respectively. Mortality rates for those in the 18-to-65 and older-than-65 age groups who did not receive mechanical ventilation were 19.8% and 26.6%, respectively.
Nurses are prevented from saving their patients lives. Patients without COVID-19 and put into areas with COVID-19 patients which gets them infected. Patients without COVID-19 in two tests are declared "COVID-19 positive" and given COVID by hospitals who then later help to kill them. Where else is this happening? I suspect there is a lot of whitewashing used to absolve people of accountability and liability across the planet. The deception is big, and it's deep. I doubt investigations will ever be done to find out the real numbers and hold people accountable.
I have heard first hand of doctors cracking jokes about how stupid the covid thing is. Best comment I have heard from people I know is, “Be careful you might get the.... coooovid!!” (Creepy voice). as the doctors chuckles and my friend dies laughing....
....but are you sure your friend died from laughing? Perhaps people who laugh will have to be quarentined next!
Laughing is a new symptom and shouldn’t be taken lightly.
We're living in a serious unreality.
Common sense is hard to come by these days...
It is the same scene in India also. One of my friend's father was a little breathless and was taken to the hospital. He passed away in couple of hours after being taken to hospital. There was no test done, no diagnosis and he was put under covid death. It could have been a cardiac arrest also, but who cares, right now all they want to show is that covid is life taking and grip us into fear.
That sucks, yes it's all about creating fear.
Firstly I would say thanks for this post @krnel as it is nice and not hard to read. Said so I do mostly agree with what you said but I disagree with the number stated by Walter Ricciardi and the overestimation while the actual count should be only the 12%.
What we should consider is that it is true that in Italy we have the second highest elder population and clearly once you reach an age over than 70 or 80 (very common in Italy) you might have other health conditions.
It might be true that 33k people have been declared dead due to COVID19 but instead only 4k have been dying for it but as you said before if you have other health's problem, COVID19 would be something on the top of it. So let's make an example...
Mr Mario Rossi (classic name used for examples in Italy) has the age of 85 and had other conditions such as diabetic or respiratory distress in general... he gets ALSO Covid19 and he sadly passes away... we have a chance that he might have reached the age of 89 or 90 with his historical problems... but due to Covid he passed away. What killed him wasn't Covid but one of his 2 historical problems but the having been reached by the SARS virus, changed his health condition and he passed away. Shall we declare his death due to the new infection or due to his historical problem? I would chose the SARS as because many countries are less estimating the impact COVID had and are not declaring the real deaths.
Just my opinion that I hope it does make sense to you.
Well if COVID didn't kill him, then it didn't. If COVID made the other illnesses stronger or what not, then that still killed him, not COVID. Some people don't even have COVID and die, yet that gets counted as a "COVID death". Thanks for the feedback.
thanks for coming back to me. Yes of course if people are dying for other reasons without having Covid positivity and their death will used to increase the counts of deaths done by Covid then it is wrong.
In my opinion if people are dying for other illnesses that started getting worse due to Covid then it has to be counted as co-factor and have a count.
Here in my country Nepal, There are about 4500 active cases with 19 deaths so far. It's quite interesting to see, most of the cases are asymptomatic here. however, out of 19 deaths, 1 was associated with a complicated pregnancy and others were of old-aged people with pre-existing conditions like diabetes and hypertension most commonly I guess.
We still don't know, why most of the cases are asymptomatic in my country.
Huh, so hardly anyone shows symptoms, and not many people get infected or die as a result. Seems to still fit with rare infection spreading from asymptomatic...
In Brazil Covid-19 became politicized
It's like that everywhere. I like your president, he wants to arm people.
It is evident and usually people above 60 years of age have the medical conditions. That's why it's better for them to take extra precautions.
Indeed they should. Boosting immune system helps a lot to get over it easily.
That is really good to know. If more and more healthy people are dying that's a huge concern but looks like not.
Yup, big scam ppl are falling for.
Here in Africa, it becomes a game to gamble with money and facial numbers of infected people.
Thanks, good info on who the must vulnerable are for Covid-19.
I think all over the world in each country covid19 is politicised.
Definitely.
It's the same in Indonesia as well. The most common pre-existing condition for the patients are hypertension, heart problem and diabetes.
Are you suggesting that if it weren’t for COVID-19 we’d still be mortal? Well there go all my hopes and dreams of living forever
good news